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Let $R_1$ and $R_2$ be two left (resp. right) Artinian rings. I would like to prove $R_1times R_2$ is also a left (resp. right) Artinian ring.



My proof is the following (only for left):



Let $A_1ge A_2ge A_3gecdots$ be a decreasing chain of left ideals of $R_1times R_2$. Then we can rewrite the chain as $$S_1times T_1ge S_2times T_2gecdots,$$where $S_i$ and $T_i$ are ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively.



Then since both $R_1$ and $R_2$ are artinian, the set ${S_1,S_2,ldots}$ and ${T_1,T_2ldots}$ have minimal element, say $S_i$ and $T_j$. Let $k=max{i,j}$. Then $S_1times T_1ge S_2times T_2gecdots$ stabilizes at $S_ktimes T_k$.



Could you please help to check if my proof is rigorous? Is there a more obvious (easier) way to show this claim?



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  • Is it clear that each ideal of $R_1times R_2$ has the form $Stimes T$?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Nov 17 at 19:38










  • Well, this can be proved easily that if $A$ is an ideal of $R_1times R_2$, then it has to be of the form $Stimes T$ with $S$ and $T$ ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 19:40










  • @Bernard Thanks for editing!
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 19:40










  • Do you have a reference for this property of ideals in the product?
    – Bernard
    Nov 17 at 19:52










  • Hello @Bernard, which property? Any ideal of $R_1times R_2$ can be written into product?
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 20:27















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Let $R_1$ and $R_2$ be two left (resp. right) Artinian rings. I would like to prove $R_1times R_2$ is also a left (resp. right) Artinian ring.



My proof is the following (only for left):



Let $A_1ge A_2ge A_3gecdots$ be a decreasing chain of left ideals of $R_1times R_2$. Then we can rewrite the chain as $$S_1times T_1ge S_2times T_2gecdots,$$where $S_i$ and $T_i$ are ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively.



Then since both $R_1$ and $R_2$ are artinian, the set ${S_1,S_2,ldots}$ and ${T_1,T_2ldots}$ have minimal element, say $S_i$ and $T_j$. Let $k=max{i,j}$. Then $S_1times T_1ge S_2times T_2gecdots$ stabilizes at $S_ktimes T_k$.



Could you please help to check if my proof is rigorous? Is there a more obvious (easier) way to show this claim?



Thanks!










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  • Is it clear that each ideal of $R_1times R_2$ has the form $Stimes T$?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Nov 17 at 19:38










  • Well, this can be proved easily that if $A$ is an ideal of $R_1times R_2$, then it has to be of the form $Stimes T$ with $S$ and $T$ ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 19:40










  • @Bernard Thanks for editing!
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 19:40










  • Do you have a reference for this property of ideals in the product?
    – Bernard
    Nov 17 at 19:52










  • Hello @Bernard, which property? Any ideal of $R_1times R_2$ can be written into product?
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 20:27













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2
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2
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Let $R_1$ and $R_2$ be two left (resp. right) Artinian rings. I would like to prove $R_1times R_2$ is also a left (resp. right) Artinian ring.



My proof is the following (only for left):



Let $A_1ge A_2ge A_3gecdots$ be a decreasing chain of left ideals of $R_1times R_2$. Then we can rewrite the chain as $$S_1times T_1ge S_2times T_2gecdots,$$where $S_i$ and $T_i$ are ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively.



Then since both $R_1$ and $R_2$ are artinian, the set ${S_1,S_2,ldots}$ and ${T_1,T_2ldots}$ have minimal element, say $S_i$ and $T_j$. Let $k=max{i,j}$. Then $S_1times T_1ge S_2times T_2gecdots$ stabilizes at $S_ktimes T_k$.



Could you please help to check if my proof is rigorous? Is there a more obvious (easier) way to show this claim?



Thanks!










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Let $R_1$ and $R_2$ be two left (resp. right) Artinian rings. I would like to prove $R_1times R_2$ is also a left (resp. right) Artinian ring.



My proof is the following (only for left):



Let $A_1ge A_2ge A_3gecdots$ be a decreasing chain of left ideals of $R_1times R_2$. Then we can rewrite the chain as $$S_1times T_1ge S_2times T_2gecdots,$$where $S_i$ and $T_i$ are ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively.



Then since both $R_1$ and $R_2$ are artinian, the set ${S_1,S_2,ldots}$ and ${T_1,T_2ldots}$ have minimal element, say $S_i$ and $T_j$. Let $k=max{i,j}$. Then $S_1times T_1ge S_2times T_2gecdots$ stabilizes at $S_ktimes T_k$.



Could you please help to check if my proof is rigorous? Is there a more obvious (easier) way to show this claim?



Thanks!







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  • Is it clear that each ideal of $R_1times R_2$ has the form $Stimes T$?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Nov 17 at 19:38










  • Well, this can be proved easily that if $A$ is an ideal of $R_1times R_2$, then it has to be of the form $Stimes T$ with $S$ and $T$ ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 19:40










  • @Bernard Thanks for editing!
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 19:40










  • Do you have a reference for this property of ideals in the product?
    – Bernard
    Nov 17 at 19:52










  • Hello @Bernard, which property? Any ideal of $R_1times R_2$ can be written into product?
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 20:27


















  • Is it clear that each ideal of $R_1times R_2$ has the form $Stimes T$?
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Nov 17 at 19:38










  • Well, this can be proved easily that if $A$ is an ideal of $R_1times R_2$, then it has to be of the form $Stimes T$ with $S$ and $T$ ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 19:40










  • @Bernard Thanks for editing!
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 19:40










  • Do you have a reference for this property of ideals in the product?
    – Bernard
    Nov 17 at 19:52










  • Hello @Bernard, which property? Any ideal of $R_1times R_2$ can be written into product?
    – Abigail
    Nov 17 at 20:27
















Is it clear that each ideal of $R_1times R_2$ has the form $Stimes T$?
– Lord Shark the Unknown
Nov 17 at 19:38




Is it clear that each ideal of $R_1times R_2$ has the form $Stimes T$?
– Lord Shark the Unknown
Nov 17 at 19:38












Well, this can be proved easily that if $A$ is an ideal of $R_1times R_2$, then it has to be of the form $Stimes T$ with $S$ and $T$ ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively
– Abigail
Nov 17 at 19:40




Well, this can be proved easily that if $A$ is an ideal of $R_1times R_2$, then it has to be of the form $Stimes T$ with $S$ and $T$ ideals of $R_1$ and $R_2$ respectively
– Abigail
Nov 17 at 19:40












@Bernard Thanks for editing!
– Abigail
Nov 17 at 19:40




@Bernard Thanks for editing!
– Abigail
Nov 17 at 19:40












Do you have a reference for this property of ideals in the product?
– Bernard
Nov 17 at 19:52




Do you have a reference for this property of ideals in the product?
– Bernard
Nov 17 at 19:52












Hello @Bernard, which property? Any ideal of $R_1times R_2$ can be written into product?
– Abigail
Nov 17 at 20:27




Hello @Bernard, which property? Any ideal of $R_1times R_2$ can be written into product?
– Abigail
Nov 17 at 20:27










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Modulo the proof that every ideal of $R_1times R_2$ is of the form $I_1times I_2$ for $I_i$ and ideal of $R_1$ and $I_2$ an ideal of $R_2$ (easy and well-known), the proof is mostly good.



However you should also mention that from $S_itimes T_isupseteq S_{i+1}times T_{i+1}$ it follows that $S_isupseteq S_{i+1}$ and $T_isupseteq T_{i+1}$.



Since both chains in the component rings stabilize, also the chain in the product stabilizes.






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    Modulo the proof that every ideal of $R_1times R_2$ is of the form $I_1times I_2$ for $I_i$ and ideal of $R_1$ and $I_2$ an ideal of $R_2$ (easy and well-known), the proof is mostly good.



    However you should also mention that from $S_itimes T_isupseteq S_{i+1}times T_{i+1}$ it follows that $S_isupseteq S_{i+1}$ and $T_isupseteq T_{i+1}$.



    Since both chains in the component rings stabilize, also the chain in the product stabilizes.






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      Modulo the proof that every ideal of $R_1times R_2$ is of the form $I_1times I_2$ for $I_i$ and ideal of $R_1$ and $I_2$ an ideal of $R_2$ (easy and well-known), the proof is mostly good.



      However you should also mention that from $S_itimes T_isupseteq S_{i+1}times T_{i+1}$ it follows that $S_isupseteq S_{i+1}$ and $T_isupseteq T_{i+1}$.



      Since both chains in the component rings stabilize, also the chain in the product stabilizes.






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        Modulo the proof that every ideal of $R_1times R_2$ is of the form $I_1times I_2$ for $I_i$ and ideal of $R_1$ and $I_2$ an ideal of $R_2$ (easy and well-known), the proof is mostly good.



        However you should also mention that from $S_itimes T_isupseteq S_{i+1}times T_{i+1}$ it follows that $S_isupseteq S_{i+1}$ and $T_isupseteq T_{i+1}$.



        Since both chains in the component rings stabilize, also the chain in the product stabilizes.






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        Modulo the proof that every ideal of $R_1times R_2$ is of the form $I_1times I_2$ for $I_i$ and ideal of $R_1$ and $I_2$ an ideal of $R_2$ (easy and well-known), the proof is mostly good.



        However you should also mention that from $S_itimes T_isupseteq S_{i+1}times T_{i+1}$ it follows that $S_isupseteq S_{i+1}$ and $T_isupseteq T_{i+1}$.



        Since both chains in the component rings stabilize, also the chain in the product stabilizes.







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