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$(a)$Suppose that ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ is a sequence of points in a metric space $(X,d)$, and let $L in X$. We say that $L$ is a limit point of ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ iff for every $N ge m$ and $epsilon gt 0$ there exists an $n ge N$ such that $d(x^{(n)}, L) le epsilon$.



$(b)$Suppose that ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ is a sequence of points in a metric space $(X,d)$, and let $L in X$. We say that $L$ is a limit point of ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ iff for every $epsilon gt 0$ there exists an $n$ such that $d(x^{(n)}, L) le epsilon$. ?





Is $(a)$ equivalent to $(b)$? Obviously $(a) Rightarrow (b)$, and for the converse let $N in mathbb Z$ and let $d_0 = min{d(x^{(i)}, L), i lt N}$, then there exist $m$ such that $d(x^{(m)}, L) lt d_0/2$.



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    Suppose there is an $n$ where $x^{(n)}=L$. This would make $L$ a limit point by (b), but not by (a)
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$(a)$Suppose that ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ is a sequence of points in a metric space $(X,d)$, and let $L in X$. We say that $L$ is a limit point of ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ iff for every $N ge m$ and $epsilon gt 0$ there exists an $n ge N$ such that $d(x^{(n)}, L) le epsilon$.



$(b)$Suppose that ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ is a sequence of points in a metric space $(X,d)$, and let $L in X$. We say that $L$ is a limit point of ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ iff for every $epsilon gt 0$ there exists an $n$ such that $d(x^{(n)}, L) le epsilon$. ?





Is $(a)$ equivalent to $(b)$? Obviously $(a) Rightarrow (b)$, and for the converse let $N in mathbb Z$ and let $d_0 = min{d(x^{(i)}, L), i lt N}$, then there exist $m$ such that $d(x^{(m)}, L) lt d_0/2$.



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    Suppose there is an $n$ where $x^{(n)}=L$. This would make $L$ a limit point by (b), but not by (a)
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$(a)$Suppose that ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ is a sequence of points in a metric space $(X,d)$, and let $L in X$. We say that $L$ is a limit point of ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ iff for every $N ge m$ and $epsilon gt 0$ there exists an $n ge N$ such that $d(x^{(n)}, L) le epsilon$.



$(b)$Suppose that ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ is a sequence of points in a metric space $(X,d)$, and let $L in X$. We say that $L$ is a limit point of ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ iff for every $epsilon gt 0$ there exists an $n$ such that $d(x^{(n)}, L) le epsilon$. ?





Is $(a)$ equivalent to $(b)$? Obviously $(a) Rightarrow (b)$, and for the converse let $N in mathbb Z$ and let $d_0 = min{d(x^{(i)}, L), i lt N}$, then there exist $m$ such that $d(x^{(m)}, L) lt d_0/2$.



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$(a)$Suppose that ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ is a sequence of points in a metric space $(X,d)$, and let $L in X$. We say that $L$ is a limit point of ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ iff for every $N ge m$ and $epsilon gt 0$ there exists an $n ge N$ such that $d(x^{(n)}, L) le epsilon$.



$(b)$Suppose that ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ is a sequence of points in a metric space $(X,d)$, and let $L in X$. We say that $L$ is a limit point of ${x^{(n)}}^{(infty)}_{(n=m)}$ iff for every $epsilon gt 0$ there exists an $n$ such that $d(x^{(n)}, L) le epsilon$. ?





Is $(a)$ equivalent to $(b)$? Obviously $(a) Rightarrow (b)$, and for the converse let $N in mathbb Z$ and let $d_0 = min{d(x^{(i)}, L), i lt N}$, then there exist $m$ such that $d(x^{(m)}, L) lt d_0/2$.



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Suppose there is an $n$ where $x^{(n)}=L$. This would make $L$ a limit point by (b), but not by (a)
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Suppose there is an $n$ where $x^{(n)}=L$. This would make $L$ a limit point by (b), but not by (a)
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    (b) is not correct, we need infinitely many points of the sequence as close to $L$ as we like , not just one or even finitely many (otherwise $x^{(1)} = L$ would be enough to make $L$ a "(b)-limit point", e.g.) and this can only be ensured by asking for indices beyond any finite $N$. What sequences do "at infinity" (for larger and larger indices) is what matters, not incidental stuff like some finitely many values or some such.






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              (b) is not correct, we need infinitely many points of the sequence as close to $L$ as we like , not just one or even finitely many (otherwise $x^{(1)} = L$ would be enough to make $L$ a "(b)-limit point", e.g.) and this can only be ensured by asking for indices beyond any finite $N$. What sequences do "at infinity" (for larger and larger indices) is what matters, not incidental stuff like some finitely many values or some such.






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                (b) is not correct, we need infinitely many points of the sequence as close to $L$ as we like , not just one or even finitely many (otherwise $x^{(1)} = L$ would be enough to make $L$ a "(b)-limit point", e.g.) and this can only be ensured by asking for indices beyond any finite $N$. What sequences do "at infinity" (for larger and larger indices) is what matters, not incidental stuff like some finitely many values or some such.






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                  (b) is not correct, we need infinitely many points of the sequence as close to $L$ as we like , not just one or even finitely many (otherwise $x^{(1)} = L$ would be enough to make $L$ a "(b)-limit point", e.g.) and this can only be ensured by asking for indices beyond any finite $N$. What sequences do "at infinity" (for larger and larger indices) is what matters, not incidental stuff like some finitely many values or some such.






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                  (b) is not correct, we need infinitely many points of the sequence as close to $L$ as we like , not just one or even finitely many (otherwise $x^{(1)} = L$ would be enough to make $L$ a "(b)-limit point", e.g.) and this can only be ensured by asking for indices beyond any finite $N$. What sequences do "at infinity" (for larger and larger indices) is what matters, not incidental stuff like some finitely many values or some such.







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