Inequality relation between sines of angles in a triangle.
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Question: Given ${CD}^2=AD.BD$, then prove that, $sin A.sin B le sin^2{Cover2}$.
I got 2 approaches to the question. Both landing nowhere.
(i) Using sine rule I got that $sin A.sin B=sin alpha.sin beta$ but can't proceed.
(ii) On extending $CD$ further to $D'$ such that $CD=DD'={CD'over2}$ which makes $ABCD'$ a cyclic quadrilateral again ending where the first step ends.
Help me please.
Thanks for any hints or solution. Hope that question is decently put.
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Question: Given ${CD}^2=AD.BD$, then prove that, $sin A.sin B le sin^2{Cover2}$.
I got 2 approaches to the question. Both landing nowhere.
(i) Using sine rule I got that $sin A.sin B=sin alpha.sin beta$ but can't proceed.
(ii) On extending $CD$ further to $D'$ such that $CD=DD'={CD'over2}$ which makes $ABCD'$ a cyclic quadrilateral again ending where the first step ends.
Help me please.
Thanks for any hints or solution. Hope that question is decently put.
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How could I get inequality using law of sines?
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Question: Given ${CD}^2=AD.BD$, then prove that, $sin A.sin B le sin^2{Cover2}$.
I got 2 approaches to the question. Both landing nowhere.
(i) Using sine rule I got that $sin A.sin B=sin alpha.sin beta$ but can't proceed.
(ii) On extending $CD$ further to $D'$ such that $CD=DD'={CD'over2}$ which makes $ABCD'$ a cyclic quadrilateral again ending where the first step ends.
Help me please.
Thanks for any hints or solution. Hope that question is decently put.
trigonometry triangle
Question: Given ${CD}^2=AD.BD$, then prove that, $sin A.sin B le sin^2{Cover2}$.
I got 2 approaches to the question. Both landing nowhere.
(i) Using sine rule I got that $sin A.sin B=sin alpha.sin beta$ but can't proceed.
(ii) On extending $CD$ further to $D'$ such that $CD=DD'={CD'over2}$ which makes $ABCD'$ a cyclic quadrilateral again ending where the first step ends.
Help me please.
Thanks for any hints or solution. Hope that question is decently put.
trigonometry triangle
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How could I get inequality using law of sines?
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How could I get inequality using law of sines?
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How could I get inequality using law of sines?
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How could I get inequality using law of sines?
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DeepSea's answer is nice, but it seems that you don't get it.
So, let me add more details.
You've already got
$$sin Asin B=sinalphasinbetatag1$$
Since
$$frac{(x+y)^2}{4}-xy=frac{x^2+2xy+y^2-4xy}{4}=frac{(x-y)^2}{4}ge 0$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$, we see that
$$xylefrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$.
So, we have
$$sinalphasinbetale frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}tag2$$
Using the following sum-to-product identity
$$sinalpha+sinbeta=2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)$$
one gets
$$begin{align}frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}&
=frac{1}{4}left(2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)right)^2
\\&=sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)tag3end{align}$$
For any $thetainmathbb R$, we have $|costheta|le 1$, so $cos^2thetale 1$.
So, we have
$$cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le 1$$
Multiplying the both sides by $sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2}) (gt 0)$ gives
$$sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)=sin^2frac{C}{2}tag4$$
It follows from $(1)(2)(3)(4)$ that
$$sin Asin Blesin^2frac C2$$
Thanks. Well DeepSea didn't mention how he got that third equation. I thought he wrote some random equation.
– Love Invariants
Nov 22 at 16:51
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Taking from where you left off,and using the well-known fact: $xy le dfrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$, we have : $ sin Acdot sin B = sin alpha cdot sin beta le dfrac{ (sin alpha + sin beta )^2}{4} = dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} = sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos^2(frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2}) = sin^2 (C/2)$ because $cos^2(frac{alpha - beta}{2}) le 1$. This establishes the claim.
Can you explain it? This second inequality. Ok dude wait I'm searching for Jensen inequality. Read about it somewhere though its not in my book
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:24
Well what if one of $alpha ,beta$ is obtuse? I think Jensen inequality says only about increasing graphs which is what I thought of and didn't use AM-GM.
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:28
Bro if you solve the last inequality: $dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$. You would get $cos (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ which isn't $cos^2 (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le 1$
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Nov 18 at 16:51
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DeepSea's answer is nice, but it seems that you don't get it.
So, let me add more details.
You've already got
$$sin Asin B=sinalphasinbetatag1$$
Since
$$frac{(x+y)^2}{4}-xy=frac{x^2+2xy+y^2-4xy}{4}=frac{(x-y)^2}{4}ge 0$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$, we see that
$$xylefrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$.
So, we have
$$sinalphasinbetale frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}tag2$$
Using the following sum-to-product identity
$$sinalpha+sinbeta=2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)$$
one gets
$$begin{align}frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}&
=frac{1}{4}left(2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)right)^2
\\&=sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)tag3end{align}$$
For any $thetainmathbb R$, we have $|costheta|le 1$, so $cos^2thetale 1$.
So, we have
$$cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le 1$$
Multiplying the both sides by $sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2}) (gt 0)$ gives
$$sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)=sin^2frac{C}{2}tag4$$
It follows from $(1)(2)(3)(4)$ that
$$sin Asin Blesin^2frac C2$$
Thanks. Well DeepSea didn't mention how he got that third equation. I thought he wrote some random equation.
– Love Invariants
Nov 22 at 16:51
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DeepSea's answer is nice, but it seems that you don't get it.
So, let me add more details.
You've already got
$$sin Asin B=sinalphasinbetatag1$$
Since
$$frac{(x+y)^2}{4}-xy=frac{x^2+2xy+y^2-4xy}{4}=frac{(x-y)^2}{4}ge 0$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$, we see that
$$xylefrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$.
So, we have
$$sinalphasinbetale frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}tag2$$
Using the following sum-to-product identity
$$sinalpha+sinbeta=2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)$$
one gets
$$begin{align}frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}&
=frac{1}{4}left(2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)right)^2
\\&=sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)tag3end{align}$$
For any $thetainmathbb R$, we have $|costheta|le 1$, so $cos^2thetale 1$.
So, we have
$$cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le 1$$
Multiplying the both sides by $sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2}) (gt 0)$ gives
$$sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)=sin^2frac{C}{2}tag4$$
It follows from $(1)(2)(3)(4)$ that
$$sin Asin Blesin^2frac C2$$
Thanks. Well DeepSea didn't mention how he got that third equation. I thought he wrote some random equation.
– Love Invariants
Nov 22 at 16:51
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up vote
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DeepSea's answer is nice, but it seems that you don't get it.
So, let me add more details.
You've already got
$$sin Asin B=sinalphasinbetatag1$$
Since
$$frac{(x+y)^2}{4}-xy=frac{x^2+2xy+y^2-4xy}{4}=frac{(x-y)^2}{4}ge 0$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$, we see that
$$xylefrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$.
So, we have
$$sinalphasinbetale frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}tag2$$
Using the following sum-to-product identity
$$sinalpha+sinbeta=2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)$$
one gets
$$begin{align}frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}&
=frac{1}{4}left(2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)right)^2
\\&=sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)tag3end{align}$$
For any $thetainmathbb R$, we have $|costheta|le 1$, so $cos^2thetale 1$.
So, we have
$$cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le 1$$
Multiplying the both sides by $sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2}) (gt 0)$ gives
$$sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)=sin^2frac{C}{2}tag4$$
It follows from $(1)(2)(3)(4)$ that
$$sin Asin Blesin^2frac C2$$
DeepSea's answer is nice, but it seems that you don't get it.
So, let me add more details.
You've already got
$$sin Asin B=sinalphasinbetatag1$$
Since
$$frac{(x+y)^2}{4}-xy=frac{x^2+2xy+y^2-4xy}{4}=frac{(x-y)^2}{4}ge 0$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$, we see that
$$xylefrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$$
holds for any $x,yinmathbb R$.
So, we have
$$sinalphasinbetale frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}tag2$$
Using the following sum-to-product identity
$$sinalpha+sinbeta=2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)$$
one gets
$$begin{align}frac{(sinalpha+sinbeta)^2}{4}&
=frac{1}{4}left(2sinbigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cosbigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)right)^2
\\&=sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)tag3end{align}$$
For any $thetainmathbb R$, we have $|costheta|le 1$, so $cos^2thetale 1$.
So, we have
$$cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le 1$$
Multiplying the both sides by $sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2}) (gt 0)$ gives
$$sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)cos^2bigg(frac{alpha-beta}{2}bigg)le sin^2bigg(frac{alpha+beta}{2}bigg)=sin^2frac{C}{2}tag4$$
It follows from $(1)(2)(3)(4)$ that
$$sin Asin Blesin^2frac C2$$
answered Nov 21 at 11:55
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Thanks. Well DeepSea didn't mention how he got that third equation. I thought he wrote some random equation.
– Love Invariants
Nov 22 at 16:51
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Thanks. Well DeepSea didn't mention how he got that third equation. I thought he wrote some random equation.
– Love Invariants
Nov 22 at 16:51
Thanks. Well DeepSea didn't mention how he got that third equation. I thought he wrote some random equation.
– Love Invariants
Nov 22 at 16:51
Thanks. Well DeepSea didn't mention how he got that third equation. I thought he wrote some random equation.
– Love Invariants
Nov 22 at 16:51
add a comment |
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Taking from where you left off,and using the well-known fact: $xy le dfrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$, we have : $ sin Acdot sin B = sin alpha cdot sin beta le dfrac{ (sin alpha + sin beta )^2}{4} = dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} = sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos^2(frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2}) = sin^2 (C/2)$ because $cos^2(frac{alpha - beta}{2}) le 1$. This establishes the claim.
Can you explain it? This second inequality. Ok dude wait I'm searching for Jensen inequality. Read about it somewhere though its not in my book
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:24
Well what if one of $alpha ,beta$ is obtuse? I think Jensen inequality says only about increasing graphs which is what I thought of and didn't use AM-GM.
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:28
Bro if you solve the last inequality: $dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$. You would get $cos (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ which isn't $cos^2 (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le 1$
– Love Invariants
Nov 18 at 16:51
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1
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Taking from where you left off,and using the well-known fact: $xy le dfrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$, we have : $ sin Acdot sin B = sin alpha cdot sin beta le dfrac{ (sin alpha + sin beta )^2}{4} = dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} = sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos^2(frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2}) = sin^2 (C/2)$ because $cos^2(frac{alpha - beta}{2}) le 1$. This establishes the claim.
Can you explain it? This second inequality. Ok dude wait I'm searching for Jensen inequality. Read about it somewhere though its not in my book
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:24
Well what if one of $alpha ,beta$ is obtuse? I think Jensen inequality says only about increasing graphs which is what I thought of and didn't use AM-GM.
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:28
Bro if you solve the last inequality: $dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$. You would get $cos (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ which isn't $cos^2 (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le 1$
– Love Invariants
Nov 18 at 16:51
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Taking from where you left off,and using the well-known fact: $xy le dfrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$, we have : $ sin Acdot sin B = sin alpha cdot sin beta le dfrac{ (sin alpha + sin beta )^2}{4} = dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} = sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos^2(frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2}) = sin^2 (C/2)$ because $cos^2(frac{alpha - beta}{2}) le 1$. This establishes the claim.
Taking from where you left off,and using the well-known fact: $xy le dfrac{(x+y)^2}{4}$, we have : $ sin Acdot sin B = sin alpha cdot sin beta le dfrac{ (sin alpha + sin beta )^2}{4} = dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} = sin^2(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos^2(frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2}) = sin^2 (C/2)$ because $cos^2(frac{alpha - beta}{2}) le 1$. This establishes the claim.
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answered Nov 17 at 22:20
DeepSea
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Can you explain it? This second inequality. Ok dude wait I'm searching for Jensen inequality. Read about it somewhere though its not in my book
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:24
Well what if one of $alpha ,beta$ is obtuse? I think Jensen inequality says only about increasing graphs which is what I thought of and didn't use AM-GM.
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:28
Bro if you solve the last inequality: $dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$. You would get $cos (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ which isn't $cos^2 (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le 1$
– Love Invariants
Nov 18 at 16:51
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Can you explain it? This second inequality. Ok dude wait I'm searching for Jensen inequality. Read about it somewhere though its not in my book
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:24
Well what if one of $alpha ,beta$ is obtuse? I think Jensen inequality says only about increasing graphs which is what I thought of and didn't use AM-GM.
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:28
Bro if you solve the last inequality: $dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$. You would get $cos (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ which isn't $cos^2 (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le 1$
– Love Invariants
Nov 18 at 16:51
Can you explain it? This second inequality. Ok dude wait I'm searching for Jensen inequality. Read about it somewhere though its not in my book
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:24
Can you explain it? This second inequality. Ok dude wait I'm searching for Jensen inequality. Read about it somewhere though its not in my book
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:24
Well what if one of $alpha ,beta$ is obtuse? I think Jensen inequality says only about increasing graphs which is what I thought of and didn't use AM-GM.
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:28
Well what if one of $alpha ,beta$ is obtuse? I think Jensen inequality says only about increasing graphs which is what I thought of and didn't use AM-GM.
– Love Invariants
Nov 17 at 22:28
Bro if you solve the last inequality: $dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$. You would get $cos (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ which isn't $cos^2 (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le 1$
– Love Invariants
Nov 18 at 16:51
Bro if you solve the last inequality: $dfrac{left(2sin(frac{alpha+beta}{2})cdot cos(frac{alpha - beta}{2})right)^2}{4} le sin^2 (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$. You would get $cos (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le sin (frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ which isn't $cos^2 (frac{alpha-beta}{2}) le 1$
– Love Invariants
Nov 18 at 16:51
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