Why is Germany not in the New Hanseatic League?
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The Bad Weather Coalition, more formally known as the New Hanseatic League, is a group of EU member states Ireland, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, which are all “fiscally conservative northern European states”. The original Hanseatic league very much included cities like Hamburg, Bremen, Rostock, Stettin (now Szczecin) and Danzig (now Gdańsk). Based on the name and the political aims, I would expect Germany to be part of the club. Why isn't it? Was Germany not invited (perhaps the founders wanted to remain a club of smaller nations), or does Germany not want to be in the Bad Weather Coalition?
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The Bad Weather Coalition, more formally known as the New Hanseatic League, is a group of EU member states Ireland, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, which are all “fiscally conservative northern European states”. The original Hanseatic league very much included cities like Hamburg, Bremen, Rostock, Stettin (now Szczecin) and Danzig (now Gdańsk). Based on the name and the political aims, I would expect Germany to be part of the club. Why isn't it? Was Germany not invited (perhaps the founders wanted to remain a club of smaller nations), or does Germany not want to be in the Bad Weather Coalition?
european-union germany
edited Dec 1 at 0:44
Martin Schröder
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asked Nov 30 at 12:14
gerrit
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Why use a derogative name when the formal name is better known? Google doesn't even mention the correct page on the first page when looking for "Bad Weather Coalition".
– Sjoerd
Nov 30 at 14:56
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@Sjoerd I don't know if it's derogatory, I find it funny :)
– gerrit
Nov 30 at 15:27
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I don't know why it's called the New Hanseatic League, but presumably the analogy is that it's an alliance of small states to counteract the powerful centrist forces of larger and more powerful neighbours. Inviting Germany to join would then make about as much sense as inviting Prussia to join the original Hanseatic League: that is to say, it would defeat the entire purpose.
– Michael Kay
Nov 30 at 22:10
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I'm surprised anybody would call high tax, large public sector countries "fiscally conservative".
– janh
Dec 1 at 5:27
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@hkBst It certainly has a broader meaning than that (low ratio of govt budget vs gpd, low taxes etc), but even with that meaning, it's hard to unify Ireland (70% of gdp) and Estonia (8%) as both being "fiscally conservative" ;)
– janh
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The Bad Weather Coalition, more formally known as the New Hanseatic League, is a group of EU member states Ireland, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, which are all “fiscally conservative northern European states”. The original Hanseatic league very much included cities like Hamburg, Bremen, Rostock, Stettin (now Szczecin) and Danzig (now Gdańsk). Based on the name and the political aims, I would expect Germany to be part of the club. Why isn't it? Was Germany not invited (perhaps the founders wanted to remain a club of smaller nations), or does Germany not want to be in the Bad Weather Coalition?
european-union germany
edited Dec 1 at 0:44
Martin Schröder
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asked Nov 30 at 12:14
gerrit
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The Bad Weather Coalition, more formally known as the New Hanseatic League, is a group of EU member states Ireland, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, which are all “fiscally conservative northern European states”. The original Hanseatic league very much included cities like Hamburg, Bremen, Rostock, Stettin (now Szczecin) and Danzig (now Gdańsk). Based on the name and the political aims, I would expect Germany to be part of the club. Why isn't it? Was Germany not invited (perhaps the founders wanted to remain a club of smaller nations), or does Germany not want to be in the Bad Weather Coalition?
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european-union germany
edited Dec 1 at 0:44
Martin Schröder
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asked Nov 30 at 12:14
gerrit
17.6k667163
edited Dec 1 at 0:44
Martin Schröder
9681826
asked Nov 30 at 12:14
gerrit
17.6k667163
edited Dec 1 at 0:44
Martin Schröder
9681826
edited Dec 1 at 0:44
Martin Schröder
9681826
edited Dec 1 at 0:44
Martin Schröder
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9681826
asked Nov 30 at 12:14
gerrit
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asked Nov 30 at 12:14
gerrit
17.6k667163
asked Nov 30 at 12:14
gerrit
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17.6k667163
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Why use a derogative name when the formal name is better known? Google doesn't even mention the correct page on the first page when looking for "Bad Weather Coalition".
– Sjoerd
Nov 30 at 14:56
4
@Sjoerd I don't know if it's derogatory, I find it funny :)
– gerrit
Nov 30 at 15:27
2
I don't know why it's called the New Hanseatic League, but presumably the analogy is that it's an alliance of small states to counteract the powerful centrist forces of larger and more powerful neighbours. Inviting Germany to join would then make about as much sense as inviting Prussia to join the original Hanseatic League: that is to say, it would defeat the entire purpose.
– Michael Kay
Nov 30 at 22:10
2
I'm surprised anybody would call high tax, large public sector countries "fiscally conservative".
– janh
Dec 1 at 5:27
1
@hkBst It certainly has a broader meaning than that (low ratio of govt budget vs gpd, low taxes etc), but even with that meaning, it's hard to unify Ireland (70% of gdp) and Estonia (8%) as both being "fiscally conservative" ;)
– janh
yesterday
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Why use a derogative name when the formal name is better known? Google doesn't even mention the correct page on the first page when looking for "Bad Weather Coalition".
– Sjoerd
Nov 30 at 14:56
4
@Sjoerd I don't know if it's derogatory, I find it funny :)
– gerrit
Nov 30 at 15:27
2
I don't know why it's called the New Hanseatic League, but presumably the analogy is that it's an alliance of small states to counteract the powerful centrist forces of larger and more powerful neighbours. Inviting Germany to join would then make about as much sense as inviting Prussia to join the original Hanseatic League: that is to say, it would defeat the entire purpose.
– Michael Kay
Nov 30 at 22:10
2
I'm surprised anybody would call high tax, large public sector countries "fiscally conservative".
– janh
Dec 1 at 5:27
1
@hkBst It certainly has a broader meaning than that (low ratio of govt budget vs gpd, low taxes etc), but even with that meaning, it's hard to unify Ireland (70% of gdp) and Estonia (8%) as both being "fiscally conservative" ;)
– janh
yesterday
1
1
Why use a derogative name when the formal name is better known? Google doesn't even mention the correct page on the first page when looking for "Bad Weather Coalition".
– Sjoerd
Nov 30 at 14:56
Why use a derogative name when the formal name is better known? Google doesn't even mention the correct page on the first page when looking for "Bad Weather Coalition".
– Sjoerd
Nov 30 at 14:56
4
4
@Sjoerd I don't know if it's derogatory, I find it funny :)
– gerrit
Nov 30 at 15:27
@Sjoerd I don't know if it's derogatory, I find it funny :)
– gerrit
Nov 30 at 15:27
2
2
I don't know why it's called the New Hanseatic League, but presumably the analogy is that it's an alliance of small states to counteract the powerful centrist forces of larger and more powerful neighbours. Inviting Germany to join would then make about as much sense as inviting Prussia to join the original Hanseatic League: that is to say, it would defeat the entire purpose.
– Michael Kay
Nov 30 at 22:10
I don't know why it's called the New Hanseatic League, but presumably the analogy is that it's an alliance of small states to counteract the powerful centrist forces of larger and more powerful neighbours. Inviting Germany to join would then make about as much sense as inviting Prussia to join the original Hanseatic League: that is to say, it would defeat the entire purpose.
– Michael Kay
Nov 30 at 22:10
2
2
I'm surprised anybody would call high tax, large public sector countries "fiscally conservative".
– janh
Dec 1 at 5:27
I'm surprised anybody would call high tax, large public sector countries "fiscally conservative".
– janh
Dec 1 at 5:27
1
1
@hkBst It certainly has a broader meaning than that (low ratio of govt budget vs gpd, low taxes etc), but even with that meaning, it's hard to unify Ireland (70% of gdp) and Estonia (8%) as both being "fiscally conservative" ;)
– janh
yesterday
@hkBst It certainly has a broader meaning than that (low ratio of govt budget vs gpd, low taxes etc), but even with that meaning, it's hard to unify Ireland (70% of gdp) and Estonia (8%) as both being "fiscally conservative" ;)
– janh
yesterday
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Many decision in the EU are pre-arranged by the German-French axis, which in practice means that the smaller countries don't have much influence.
The New Hanseatic League aims to give the smaller countries with similar views more influence. Therefore, it is a counter-balance against the German-French axis.
It would be strange if Germany were on both sides.
An advantage for Germany for not being in this group, is that they can be the negotiator-in-the-middle, while the New Hanseatic League is free to voice concerns shared by Germany.
I think that both the New Hanseatic League and Germany are happy with this arrangement, so there is no reason for them to join.
answered Nov 30 at 15:05
Sjoerd
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negotiator-in-the-middle of the New Hanseatic League and who?
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Many decision in the EU are pre-arranged by the German-French axis, which in practice means that the smaller countries don't have much influence.
The New Hanseatic League aims to give the smaller countries with similar views more influence. Therefore, it is a counter-balance against the German-French axis.
It would be strange if Germany were on both sides.
An advantage for Germany for not being in this group, is that they can be the negotiator-in-the-middle, while the New Hanseatic League is free to voice concerns shared by Germany.
I think that both the New Hanseatic League and Germany are happy with this arrangement, so there is no reason for them to join.
answered Nov 30 at 15:05
Sjoerd
2,3551917
negotiator-in-the-middle of the New Hanseatic League and who?
– hkBst
2 days ago
add a comment |
up vote
20
down vote
accepted
Many decision in the EU are pre-arranged by the German-French axis, which in practice means that the smaller countries don't have much influence.
The New Hanseatic League aims to give the smaller countries with similar views more influence. Therefore, it is a counter-balance against the German-French axis.
It would be strange if Germany were on both sides.
An advantage for Germany for not being in this group, is that they can be the negotiator-in-the-middle, while the New Hanseatic League is free to voice concerns shared by Germany.
I think that both the New Hanseatic League and Germany are happy with this arrangement, so there is no reason for them to join.
answered Nov 30 at 15:05
Sjoerd
2,3551917
negotiator-in-the-middle of the New Hanseatic League and who?
– hkBst
2 days ago
add a comment |
up vote
20
down vote
accepted
up vote
20
down vote
accepted
Many decision in the EU are pre-arranged by the German-French axis, which in practice means that the smaller countries don't have much influence.
The New Hanseatic League aims to give the smaller countries with similar views more influence. Therefore, it is a counter-balance against the German-French axis.
It would be strange if Germany were on both sides.
An advantage for Germany for not being in this group, is that they can be the negotiator-in-the-middle, while the New Hanseatic League is free to voice concerns shared by Germany.
I think that both the New Hanseatic League and Germany are happy with this arrangement, so there is no reason for them to join.
answered Nov 30 at 15:05
Sjoerd
2,3551917
Many decision in the EU are pre-arranged by the German-French axis, which in practice means that the smaller countries don't have much influence.
The New Hanseatic League aims to give the smaller countries with similar views more influence. Therefore, it is a counter-balance against the German-French axis.
It would be strange if Germany were on both sides.
An advantage for Germany for not being in this group, is that they can be the negotiator-in-the-middle, while the New Hanseatic League is free to voice concerns shared by Germany.
I think that both the New Hanseatic League and Germany are happy with this arrangement, so there is no reason for them to join.
answered Nov 30 at 15:05
Sjoerd
2,3551917
edited Nov 30 at 15:29
answered Nov 30 at 15:05
Sjoerd
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answered Nov 30 at 15:05
Sjoerd
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answered Nov 30 at 15:05
Sjoerd
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negotiator-in-the-middle of the New Hanseatic League and who?
– hkBst
2 days ago
add a comment |
negotiator-in-the-middle of the New Hanseatic League and who?
– hkBst
2 days ago
negotiator-in-the-middle of the New Hanseatic League and who?
– hkBst
2 days ago
negotiator-in-the-middle of the New Hanseatic League and who?
– hkBst
2 days ago
add a comment |
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Why use a derogative name when the formal name is better known? Google doesn't even mention the correct page on the first page when looking for "Bad Weather Coalition".
– Sjoerd
Nov 30 at 14:56
4
@Sjoerd I don't know if it's derogatory, I find it funny :)
– gerrit
Nov 30 at 15:27
2
I don't know why it's called the New Hanseatic League, but presumably the analogy is that it's an alliance of small states to counteract the powerful centrist forces of larger and more powerful neighbours. Inviting Germany to join would then make about as much sense as inviting Prussia to join the original Hanseatic League: that is to say, it would defeat the entire purpose.
– Michael Kay
Nov 30 at 22:10
2
I'm surprised anybody would call high tax, large public sector countries "fiscally conservative".
– janh
Dec 1 at 5:27
1
@hkBst It certainly has a broader meaning than that (low ratio of govt budget vs gpd, low taxes etc), but even with that meaning, it's hard to unify Ireland (70% of gdp) and Estonia (8%) as both being "fiscally conservative" ;)
– janh
yesterday