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For $n geq 2$, let $phi =|t(t-1)...(t-n)|; forall; t in [0,n]$.



1/ Show that $phi$ peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$



2/ Evaluate $dfrac{phi'}{phi}$ in accordance with $displaystyle g(t)=sum_{k=0}^n frac{1}{(t-k)}$



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  • Rolle's theorem should help with part 1.
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  • For the second, note that $phi’/phi=frac{d}{dx}logphi(x)$.
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  • Thanks for your hints, but i can't come up with a proof for these questions. Can you be more explicit please?
    – Morpheus
    Nov 17 at 16:37










  • What do you mean by “peaks”? That it has a local maximum?
    – egreg
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  • What i mean by peaks is that $phi$ has a maximum on [0,n], and that it is reached on a point of [0,1]
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For $n geq 2$, let $phi =|t(t-1)...(t-n)|; forall; t in [0,n]$.



1/ Show that $phi$ peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$



2/ Evaluate $dfrac{phi'}{phi}$ in accordance with $displaystyle g(t)=sum_{k=0}^n frac{1}{(t-k)}$



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  • Rolle's theorem should help with part 1.
    – Andy Walls
    Nov 17 at 15:06










  • For the second, note that $phi’/phi=frac{d}{dx}logphi(x)$.
    – Clayton
    Nov 17 at 15:16










  • Thanks for your hints, but i can't come up with a proof for these questions. Can you be more explicit please?
    – Morpheus
    Nov 17 at 16:37










  • What do you mean by “peaks”? That it has a local maximum?
    – egreg
    Nov 17 at 17:37










  • What i mean by peaks is that $phi$ has a maximum on [0,n], and that it is reached on a point of [0,1]
    – Morpheus
    Nov 18 at 11:59













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For $n geq 2$, let $phi =|t(t-1)...(t-n)|; forall; t in [0,n]$.



1/ Show that $phi$ peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$



2/ Evaluate $dfrac{phi'}{phi}$ in accordance with $displaystyle g(t)=sum_{k=0}^n frac{1}{(t-k)}$



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For $n geq 2$, let $phi =|t(t-1)...(t-n)|; forall; t in [0,n]$.



1/ Show that $phi$ peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$



2/ Evaluate $dfrac{phi'}{phi}$ in accordance with $displaystyle g(t)=sum_{k=0}^n frac{1}{(t-k)}$



Any help would be appreciated.







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  • Rolle's theorem should help with part 1.
    – Andy Walls
    Nov 17 at 15:06










  • For the second, note that $phi’/phi=frac{d}{dx}logphi(x)$.
    – Clayton
    Nov 17 at 15:16










  • Thanks for your hints, but i can't come up with a proof for these questions. Can you be more explicit please?
    – Morpheus
    Nov 17 at 16:37










  • What do you mean by “peaks”? That it has a local maximum?
    – egreg
    Nov 17 at 17:37










  • What i mean by peaks is that $phi$ has a maximum on [0,n], and that it is reached on a point of [0,1]
    – Morpheus
    Nov 18 at 11:59


















  • Rolle's theorem should help with part 1.
    – Andy Walls
    Nov 17 at 15:06










  • For the second, note that $phi’/phi=frac{d}{dx}logphi(x)$.
    – Clayton
    Nov 17 at 15:16










  • Thanks for your hints, but i can't come up with a proof for these questions. Can you be more explicit please?
    – Morpheus
    Nov 17 at 16:37










  • What do you mean by “peaks”? That it has a local maximum?
    – egreg
    Nov 17 at 17:37










  • What i mean by peaks is that $phi$ has a maximum on [0,n], and that it is reached on a point of [0,1]
    – Morpheus
    Nov 18 at 11:59
















Rolle's theorem should help with part 1.
– Andy Walls
Nov 17 at 15:06




Rolle's theorem should help with part 1.
– Andy Walls
Nov 17 at 15:06












For the second, note that $phi’/phi=frac{d}{dx}logphi(x)$.
– Clayton
Nov 17 at 15:16




For the second, note that $phi’/phi=frac{d}{dx}logphi(x)$.
– Clayton
Nov 17 at 15:16












Thanks for your hints, but i can't come up with a proof for these questions. Can you be more explicit please?
– Morpheus
Nov 17 at 16:37




Thanks for your hints, but i can't come up with a proof for these questions. Can you be more explicit please?
– Morpheus
Nov 17 at 16:37












What do you mean by “peaks”? That it has a local maximum?
– egreg
Nov 17 at 17:37




What do you mean by “peaks”? That it has a local maximum?
– egreg
Nov 17 at 17:37












What i mean by peaks is that $phi$ has a maximum on [0,n], and that it is reached on a point of [0,1]
– Morpheus
Nov 18 at 11:59




What i mean by peaks is that $phi$ has a maximum on [0,n], and that it is reached on a point of [0,1]
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Well, assuming that I understand you correctly, the first part is the product:
$$phi_n(t)=left|prod_{k=0}^nt-kright|implies{left(phi(t)=0iff t-k=0;\thereforephi(t)=0iff t=kright)}$$
You can evaluate this product using the falling factorial, provided that you appropriately restrict the domain of $n$ to $ngeq2$:
$$phi_n(t)=left|(t)_{n+1}right| : ngeq2$$
By definition, this is the same as
$$phi_n(t)=left|frac{Gamma(t+1)}{Gamma(t-n)}right|; text{if }tinmathbb{Z}, text{then }phi_n(t)=left|frac{t!}{Gamma(t-n)}right|$$
Now, I'm not sure what you mean by "peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$," but if you mean that $phi_n(t)$ has a local maximum at $0leq tleq 1$ then you only need to show that $phi_n(0)=0$, $phi_n(1)=0$, and $exists tin(0,1):phi_n(t)neq0$.



From the original product, you know that $phi_n(k)=0$, where $kinleft{xinmathbb{Z}mid0leq xleq nright}$, so the first two statements are true (you can also show this using the limit of the gamma function in the denominator). For the final statement, consider that $Gamma(x)$ has no zeros (so the numerator is never zero), and is finite if $x$ is not a negative integer (so the denominator is finite if $x$ is not an integer). Thus if $tnotinmathbb{Z}$, then $phi_n(t)neq0$.



Hope this helps.



As for the second part to your question, I'm not sure how to interpret it. Is $frac{phiprime}{phi}$ meant to denote $frac{partialphi_n(t)}{partial t}frac{1}{phi_n(t)}$? And if so, what does $g(t)$ have to do with it?






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    Well, assuming that I understand you correctly, the first part is the product:
    $$phi_n(t)=left|prod_{k=0}^nt-kright|implies{left(phi(t)=0iff t-k=0;\thereforephi(t)=0iff t=kright)}$$
    You can evaluate this product using the falling factorial, provided that you appropriately restrict the domain of $n$ to $ngeq2$:
    $$phi_n(t)=left|(t)_{n+1}right| : ngeq2$$
    By definition, this is the same as
    $$phi_n(t)=left|frac{Gamma(t+1)}{Gamma(t-n)}right|; text{if }tinmathbb{Z}, text{then }phi_n(t)=left|frac{t!}{Gamma(t-n)}right|$$
    Now, I'm not sure what you mean by "peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$," but if you mean that $phi_n(t)$ has a local maximum at $0leq tleq 1$ then you only need to show that $phi_n(0)=0$, $phi_n(1)=0$, and $exists tin(0,1):phi_n(t)neq0$.



    From the original product, you know that $phi_n(k)=0$, where $kinleft{xinmathbb{Z}mid0leq xleq nright}$, so the first two statements are true (you can also show this using the limit of the gamma function in the denominator). For the final statement, consider that $Gamma(x)$ has no zeros (so the numerator is never zero), and is finite if $x$ is not a negative integer (so the denominator is finite if $x$ is not an integer). Thus if $tnotinmathbb{Z}$, then $phi_n(t)neq0$.



    Hope this helps.



    As for the second part to your question, I'm not sure how to interpret it. Is $frac{phiprime}{phi}$ meant to denote $frac{partialphi_n(t)}{partial t}frac{1}{phi_n(t)}$? And if so, what does $g(t)$ have to do with it?






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      Well, assuming that I understand you correctly, the first part is the product:
      $$phi_n(t)=left|prod_{k=0}^nt-kright|implies{left(phi(t)=0iff t-k=0;\thereforephi(t)=0iff t=kright)}$$
      You can evaluate this product using the falling factorial, provided that you appropriately restrict the domain of $n$ to $ngeq2$:
      $$phi_n(t)=left|(t)_{n+1}right| : ngeq2$$
      By definition, this is the same as
      $$phi_n(t)=left|frac{Gamma(t+1)}{Gamma(t-n)}right|; text{if }tinmathbb{Z}, text{then }phi_n(t)=left|frac{t!}{Gamma(t-n)}right|$$
      Now, I'm not sure what you mean by "peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$," but if you mean that $phi_n(t)$ has a local maximum at $0leq tleq 1$ then you only need to show that $phi_n(0)=0$, $phi_n(1)=0$, and $exists tin(0,1):phi_n(t)neq0$.



      From the original product, you know that $phi_n(k)=0$, where $kinleft{xinmathbb{Z}mid0leq xleq nright}$, so the first two statements are true (you can also show this using the limit of the gamma function in the denominator). For the final statement, consider that $Gamma(x)$ has no zeros (so the numerator is never zero), and is finite if $x$ is not a negative integer (so the denominator is finite if $x$ is not an integer). Thus if $tnotinmathbb{Z}$, then $phi_n(t)neq0$.



      Hope this helps.



      As for the second part to your question, I'm not sure how to interpret it. Is $frac{phiprime}{phi}$ meant to denote $frac{partialphi_n(t)}{partial t}frac{1}{phi_n(t)}$? And if so, what does $g(t)$ have to do with it?






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        Well, assuming that I understand you correctly, the first part is the product:
        $$phi_n(t)=left|prod_{k=0}^nt-kright|implies{left(phi(t)=0iff t-k=0;\thereforephi(t)=0iff t=kright)}$$
        You can evaluate this product using the falling factorial, provided that you appropriately restrict the domain of $n$ to $ngeq2$:
        $$phi_n(t)=left|(t)_{n+1}right| : ngeq2$$
        By definition, this is the same as
        $$phi_n(t)=left|frac{Gamma(t+1)}{Gamma(t-n)}right|; text{if }tinmathbb{Z}, text{then }phi_n(t)=left|frac{t!}{Gamma(t-n)}right|$$
        Now, I'm not sure what you mean by "peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$," but if you mean that $phi_n(t)$ has a local maximum at $0leq tleq 1$ then you only need to show that $phi_n(0)=0$, $phi_n(1)=0$, and $exists tin(0,1):phi_n(t)neq0$.



        From the original product, you know that $phi_n(k)=0$, where $kinleft{xinmathbb{Z}mid0leq xleq nright}$, so the first two statements are true (you can also show this using the limit of the gamma function in the denominator). For the final statement, consider that $Gamma(x)$ has no zeros (so the numerator is never zero), and is finite if $x$ is not a negative integer (so the denominator is finite if $x$ is not an integer). Thus if $tnotinmathbb{Z}$, then $phi_n(t)neq0$.



        Hope this helps.



        As for the second part to your question, I'm not sure how to interpret it. Is $frac{phiprime}{phi}$ meant to denote $frac{partialphi_n(t)}{partial t}frac{1}{phi_n(t)}$? And if so, what does $g(t)$ have to do with it?






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        Well, assuming that I understand you correctly, the first part is the product:
        $$phi_n(t)=left|prod_{k=0}^nt-kright|implies{left(phi(t)=0iff t-k=0;\thereforephi(t)=0iff t=kright)}$$
        You can evaluate this product using the falling factorial, provided that you appropriately restrict the domain of $n$ to $ngeq2$:
        $$phi_n(t)=left|(t)_{n+1}right| : ngeq2$$
        By definition, this is the same as
        $$phi_n(t)=left|frac{Gamma(t+1)}{Gamma(t-n)}right|; text{if }tinmathbb{Z}, text{then }phi_n(t)=left|frac{t!}{Gamma(t-n)}right|$$
        Now, I'm not sure what you mean by "peaks at a point belonging to $[0,1]$," but if you mean that $phi_n(t)$ has a local maximum at $0leq tleq 1$ then you only need to show that $phi_n(0)=0$, $phi_n(1)=0$, and $exists tin(0,1):phi_n(t)neq0$.



        From the original product, you know that $phi_n(k)=0$, where $kinleft{xinmathbb{Z}mid0leq xleq nright}$, so the first two statements are true (you can also show this using the limit of the gamma function in the denominator). For the final statement, consider that $Gamma(x)$ has no zeros (so the numerator is never zero), and is finite if $x$ is not a negative integer (so the denominator is finite if $x$ is not an integer). Thus if $tnotinmathbb{Z}$, then $phi_n(t)neq0$.



        Hope this helps.



        As for the second part to your question, I'm not sure how to interpret it. Is $frac{phiprime}{phi}$ meant to denote $frac{partialphi_n(t)}{partial t}frac{1}{phi_n(t)}$? And if so, what does $g(t)$ have to do with it?







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