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Let $K$ be a field of characteristic $p > 0$, and denote by $L_c$ the splitting field of $f_c := X^p-x+c in K[X]$ for some $c in K$. It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is reducible over $K$ if and only if $c = b^p-b$ for some $b in K$. (The main idea is that $f_c(alpha) = 0$ implies $f(alpha+u)=0$ for every $u in mathbb{F_p} subseteq K$. Hence all irreducible factors of $f_c$ need to have the same degree.)



However, how can I prove that $L_c$ and $L_{c'}$ are $K$-isomorphic (for some $c,c' in K$) if and only if $c-c' = b^p-b$ for some $b in K$?



The if-part is clear. And if we let $alpha in L_c$ be a root of $f_c$ and $beta in L_{c'}$ be a root of $f_{c'}$, then the only-if-part boils down to proving that $alpha-beta in K$. However, I do not see how this could be done. I am grateful for any help!










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    if $pneq 2$ then $beta=2alpha$ is a root of $x^p-x-2c=f_{2c}$, and yet $alpha-betanotin K$ (and $2c-c=cneq b^p-b$ for any $b$ unless $f_c$ is reducible)
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Let $K$ be a field of characteristic $p > 0$, and denote by $L_c$ the splitting field of $f_c := X^p-x+c in K[X]$ for some $c in K$. It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is reducible over $K$ if and only if $c = b^p-b$ for some $b in K$. (The main idea is that $f_c(alpha) = 0$ implies $f(alpha+u)=0$ for every $u in mathbb{F_p} subseteq K$. Hence all irreducible factors of $f_c$ need to have the same degree.)



However, how can I prove that $L_c$ and $L_{c'}$ are $K$-isomorphic (for some $c,c' in K$) if and only if $c-c' = b^p-b$ for some $b in K$?



The if-part is clear. And if we let $alpha in L_c$ be a root of $f_c$ and $beta in L_{c'}$ be a root of $f_{c'}$, then the only-if-part boils down to proving that $alpha-beta in K$. However, I do not see how this could be done. I am grateful for any help!










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  • at the beginning: "It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is irreducible ..." should be "reducible"
    – user8268
    Nov 17 at 7:50










  • @user8268: You are right, I changed it!
    – Algebrus
    Nov 17 at 7:52






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    if $pneq 2$ then $beta=2alpha$ is a root of $x^p-x-2c=f_{2c}$, and yet $alpha-betanotin K$ (and $2c-c=cneq b^p-b$ for any $b$ unless $f_c$ is reducible)
    – user8268
    Nov 17 at 8:05












  • @user8268: This is interesting. I will ask a new question about that.
    – Algebrus
    Nov 17 at 9:37










  • The new question can now be found here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3002150/…
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Let $K$ be a field of characteristic $p > 0$, and denote by $L_c$ the splitting field of $f_c := X^p-x+c in K[X]$ for some $c in K$. It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is reducible over $K$ if and only if $c = b^p-b$ for some $b in K$. (The main idea is that $f_c(alpha) = 0$ implies $f(alpha+u)=0$ for every $u in mathbb{F_p} subseteq K$. Hence all irreducible factors of $f_c$ need to have the same degree.)



However, how can I prove that $L_c$ and $L_{c'}$ are $K$-isomorphic (for some $c,c' in K$) if and only if $c-c' = b^p-b$ for some $b in K$?



The if-part is clear. And if we let $alpha in L_c$ be a root of $f_c$ and $beta in L_{c'}$ be a root of $f_{c'}$, then the only-if-part boils down to proving that $alpha-beta in K$. However, I do not see how this could be done. I am grateful for any help!










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Let $K$ be a field of characteristic $p > 0$, and denote by $L_c$ the splitting field of $f_c := X^p-x+c in K[X]$ for some $c in K$. It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is reducible over $K$ if and only if $c = b^p-b$ for some $b in K$. (The main idea is that $f_c(alpha) = 0$ implies $f(alpha+u)=0$ for every $u in mathbb{F_p} subseteq K$. Hence all irreducible factors of $f_c$ need to have the same degree.)



However, how can I prove that $L_c$ and $L_{c'}$ are $K$-isomorphic (for some $c,c' in K$) if and only if $c-c' = b^p-b$ for some $b in K$?



The if-part is clear. And if we let $alpha in L_c$ be a root of $f_c$ and $beta in L_{c'}$ be a root of $f_{c'}$, then the only-if-part boils down to proving that $alpha-beta in K$. However, I do not see how this could be done. I am grateful for any help!







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  • at the beginning: "It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is irreducible ..." should be "reducible"
    – user8268
    Nov 17 at 7:50










  • @user8268: You are right, I changed it!
    – Algebrus
    Nov 17 at 7:52






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    if $pneq 2$ then $beta=2alpha$ is a root of $x^p-x-2c=f_{2c}$, and yet $alpha-betanotin K$ (and $2c-c=cneq b^p-b$ for any $b$ unless $f_c$ is reducible)
    – user8268
    Nov 17 at 8:05












  • @user8268: This is interesting. I will ask a new question about that.
    – Algebrus
    Nov 17 at 9:37










  • The new question can now be found here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3002150/…
    – Algebrus
    Nov 17 at 9:53


















  • at the beginning: "It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is irreducible ..." should be "reducible"
    – user8268
    Nov 17 at 7:50










  • @user8268: You are right, I changed it!
    – Algebrus
    Nov 17 at 7:52






  • 1




    if $pneq 2$ then $beta=2alpha$ is a root of $x^p-x-2c=f_{2c}$, and yet $alpha-betanotin K$ (and $2c-c=cneq b^p-b$ for any $b$ unless $f_c$ is reducible)
    – user8268
    Nov 17 at 8:05












  • @user8268: This is interesting. I will ask a new question about that.
    – Algebrus
    Nov 17 at 9:37










  • The new question can now be found here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3002150/…
    – Algebrus
    Nov 17 at 9:53
















at the beginning: "It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is irreducible ..." should be "reducible"
– user8268
Nov 17 at 7:50




at the beginning: "It is not difficult to check that $f_c$ is irreducible ..." should be "reducible"
– user8268
Nov 17 at 7:50












@user8268: You are right, I changed it!
– Algebrus
Nov 17 at 7:52




@user8268: You are right, I changed it!
– Algebrus
Nov 17 at 7:52




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if $pneq 2$ then $beta=2alpha$ is a root of $x^p-x-2c=f_{2c}$, and yet $alpha-betanotin K$ (and $2c-c=cneq b^p-b$ for any $b$ unless $f_c$ is reducible)
– user8268
Nov 17 at 8:05






if $pneq 2$ then $beta=2alpha$ is a root of $x^p-x-2c=f_{2c}$, and yet $alpha-betanotin K$ (and $2c-c=cneq b^p-b$ for any $b$ unless $f_c$ is reducible)
– user8268
Nov 17 at 8:05














@user8268: This is interesting. I will ask a new question about that.
– Algebrus
Nov 17 at 9:37




@user8268: This is interesting. I will ask a new question about that.
– Algebrus
Nov 17 at 9:37












The new question can now be found here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3002150/…
– Algebrus
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The new question can now be found here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3002150/…
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For $K$ a finite field.



Let $phi(x) = x^p$ the Frobenius. Then $a^p-a = c$ means $phi^{n+1}(a) = phi^n(a) + phi^n(c)= a + sum_{l=0}^{n} phi^l(c)$.



Let $m = [mathbf{F}_p(c):mathbf{F}_p]$. Then $sum_{l=0}^{m-1} phi^l(c) = Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c)$.



Since $c in mathbf{F}_p(a)$, there are two choices :




  • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) = 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=m$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= m$ and $mathbf{F}_p(a)=mathbf{F}_p(c)$.


  • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) ne 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=mp$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= mp$. Only in that case $X^p-X + c$ is irreducible over $mathbf{F}_p(c)$.



From this comparing the degree of the extension we see when $mathbf{F}_p(a) simeqmathbf{F}_p(b)$ with $ a^p-a = c,b^p-b = d$.






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    For $K$ a finite field.



    Let $phi(x) = x^p$ the Frobenius. Then $a^p-a = c$ means $phi^{n+1}(a) = phi^n(a) + phi^n(c)= a + sum_{l=0}^{n} phi^l(c)$.



    Let $m = [mathbf{F}_p(c):mathbf{F}_p]$. Then $sum_{l=0}^{m-1} phi^l(c) = Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c)$.



    Since $c in mathbf{F}_p(a)$, there are two choices :




    • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) = 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=m$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= m$ and $mathbf{F}_p(a)=mathbf{F}_p(c)$.


    • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) ne 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=mp$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= mp$. Only in that case $X^p-X + c$ is irreducible over $mathbf{F}_p(c)$.



    From this comparing the degree of the extension we see when $mathbf{F}_p(a) simeqmathbf{F}_p(b)$ with $ a^p-a = c,b^p-b = d$.






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      For $K$ a finite field.



      Let $phi(x) = x^p$ the Frobenius. Then $a^p-a = c$ means $phi^{n+1}(a) = phi^n(a) + phi^n(c)= a + sum_{l=0}^{n} phi^l(c)$.



      Let $m = [mathbf{F}_p(c):mathbf{F}_p]$. Then $sum_{l=0}^{m-1} phi^l(c) = Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c)$.



      Since $c in mathbf{F}_p(a)$, there are two choices :




      • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) = 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=m$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= m$ and $mathbf{F}_p(a)=mathbf{F}_p(c)$.


      • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) ne 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=mp$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= mp$. Only in that case $X^p-X + c$ is irreducible over $mathbf{F}_p(c)$.



      From this comparing the degree of the extension we see when $mathbf{F}_p(a) simeqmathbf{F}_p(b)$ with $ a^p-a = c,b^p-b = d$.






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        For $K$ a finite field.



        Let $phi(x) = x^p$ the Frobenius. Then $a^p-a = c$ means $phi^{n+1}(a) = phi^n(a) + phi^n(c)= a + sum_{l=0}^{n} phi^l(c)$.



        Let $m = [mathbf{F}_p(c):mathbf{F}_p]$. Then $sum_{l=0}^{m-1} phi^l(c) = Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c)$.



        Since $c in mathbf{F}_p(a)$, there are two choices :




        • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) = 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=m$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= m$ and $mathbf{F}_p(a)=mathbf{F}_p(c)$.


        • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) ne 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=mp$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= mp$. Only in that case $X^p-X + c$ is irreducible over $mathbf{F}_p(c)$.



        From this comparing the degree of the extension we see when $mathbf{F}_p(a) simeqmathbf{F}_p(b)$ with $ a^p-a = c,b^p-b = d$.






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        For $K$ a finite field.



        Let $phi(x) = x^p$ the Frobenius. Then $a^p-a = c$ means $phi^{n+1}(a) = phi^n(a) + phi^n(c)= a + sum_{l=0}^{n} phi^l(c)$.



        Let $m = [mathbf{F}_p(c):mathbf{F}_p]$. Then $sum_{l=0}^{m-1} phi^l(c) = Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c)$.



        Since $c in mathbf{F}_p(a)$, there are two choices :




        • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) = 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=m$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= m$ and $mathbf{F}_p(a)=mathbf{F}_p(c)$.


        • Or $Tr_{mathbf{F}_p(c)/mathbf{F}_p}(c) ne 0$ and the least integer with $phi^l(a) = a$ is $l=mp$ and $[mathbf{F}_p(a):mathbf{F}_p]= mp$. Only in that case $X^p-X + c$ is irreducible over $mathbf{F}_p(c)$.



        From this comparing the degree of the extension we see when $mathbf{F}_p(a) simeqmathbf{F}_p(b)$ with $ a^p-a = c,b^p-b = d$.







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