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Suppose $F$ is differentiable $forall x>0$ and $F(xy) = F(x)+F(y)$, $ forall x,y>0$.
Prove that if $F$ is not the zero function, then $exists$ $ a>0$ such that: $F(x)=log_a(x)$, $forall x>0$.
I seem to be doing fine except on getting the base $a$ for the log. So far I have that $F'(x)=frac{F'(1)}{x}$. I know from calculus that $intfrac{1}{t}dt=ln(t)$. How can I get the base to be $F'(1)$ instead of $e$?










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    Hint: $frac{ln(x)}{ln(a)} = log_a(x)$
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    See math.stackexchange.com/a/2091337/72031 for a more detailed analysis with minimal assumptions.
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Suppose $F$ is differentiable $forall x>0$ and $F(xy) = F(x)+F(y)$, $ forall x,y>0$.
Prove that if $F$ is not the zero function, then $exists$ $ a>0$ such that: $F(x)=log_a(x)$, $forall x>0$.
I seem to be doing fine except on getting the base $a$ for the log. So far I have that $F'(x)=frac{F'(1)}{x}$. I know from calculus that $intfrac{1}{t}dt=ln(t)$. How can I get the base to be $F'(1)$ instead of $e$?










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    Hint: $frac{ln(x)}{ln(a)} = log_a(x)$
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  • You might find some info on this functional equation also here: Overview of basic facts about Cauchy functional equation
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Suppose $F$ is differentiable $forall x>0$ and $F(xy) = F(x)+F(y)$, $ forall x,y>0$.
Prove that if $F$ is not the zero function, then $exists$ $ a>0$ such that: $F(x)=log_a(x)$, $forall x>0$.
I seem to be doing fine except on getting the base $a$ for the log. So far I have that $F'(x)=frac{F'(1)}{x}$. I know from calculus that $intfrac{1}{t}dt=ln(t)$. How can I get the base to be $F'(1)$ instead of $e$?










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Suppose $F$ is differentiable $forall x>0$ and $F(xy) = F(x)+F(y)$, $ forall x,y>0$.
Prove that if $F$ is not the zero function, then $exists$ $ a>0$ such that: $F(x)=log_a(x)$, $forall x>0$.
I seem to be doing fine except on getting the base $a$ for the log. So far I have that $F'(x)=frac{F'(1)}{x}$. I know from calculus that $intfrac{1}{t}dt=ln(t)$. How can I get the base to be $F'(1)$ instead of $e$?







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    Hint: $frac{ln(x)}{ln(a)} = log_a(x)$
    – Chris Janjigian
    Dec 8 '13 at 17:40






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    See math.stackexchange.com/a/2091337/72031 for a more detailed analysis with minimal assumptions.
    – Paramanand Singh
    Jan 17 '17 at 6:07










  • You might find some info on this functional equation also here: Overview of basic facts about Cauchy functional equation
    – Martin Sleziak
    Jan 17 '17 at 6:36














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    Hint: $frac{ln(x)}{ln(a)} = log_a(x)$
    – Chris Janjigian
    Dec 8 '13 at 17:40






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    See math.stackexchange.com/a/2091337/72031 for a more detailed analysis with minimal assumptions.
    – Paramanand Singh
    Jan 17 '17 at 6:07










  • You might find some info on this functional equation also here: Overview of basic facts about Cauchy functional equation
    – Martin Sleziak
    Jan 17 '17 at 6:36








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Hint: $frac{ln(x)}{ln(a)} = log_a(x)$
– Chris Janjigian
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Hint: $frac{ln(x)}{ln(a)} = log_a(x)$
– Chris Janjigian
Dec 8 '13 at 17:40




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See math.stackexchange.com/a/2091337/72031 for a more detailed analysis with minimal assumptions.
– Paramanand Singh
Jan 17 '17 at 6:07




See math.stackexchange.com/a/2091337/72031 for a more detailed analysis with minimal assumptions.
– Paramanand Singh
Jan 17 '17 at 6:07












You might find some info on this functional equation also here: Overview of basic facts about Cauchy functional equation
– Martin Sleziak
Jan 17 '17 at 6:36




You might find some info on this functional equation also here: Overview of basic facts about Cauchy functional equation
– Martin Sleziak
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Since $F(xy)=F(x)+F(y)implies F(1)=0$ we have $F(x)=F(x)-F(1)=int_1^x (F'(1)/t)dt=F'(1)ln x =log_A(x)$ where $$A=exp {(1/F'(1))}.$$ Because for $x>1$ we have $$exp(ln x)=x=A^{log_A(x)}=[exp (ln A)]^{log_A(x)}=$$ $$=exp (;(ln A)(log_A(x);).$$ So $log_A(x)=(ln x)cdot (1/ln A).$



In this case we have $1/ln A=F'(1),$ that is, $ln A=1/F'(1).$



For example if $F'(1)=10$ the base $A$ is $e^{1/10}.$






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  • You still have to prove that under the given conditions $F'(1)ne 0$, so $A$ is always well defined. It's of course trivial to do given the results user114369 already got, but is has to be done.
    – celtschk
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  • That integral diverges, check the bounds.
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  • @YoTengoUnLCD. That was a typo. Thanks.
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$$a^x=left(e^{text{log}(a)}right)^x = e^{text{log}(a)x}$$
$$text{log}(a^x)=xtext{log}(a)$$
$$text{log}_a(a^x)=x$$



Extrapolating from here, we have



$$text{log}_a(x) = frac {text{log}(x)}{text{log}(a)}$$



It shouldn't be too hard to get your answer from this.






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    You can conclude that$$F(x)=F'(1)ln x+C$$where $C=0$ since $F(1)=0$ ( let $x=y=1$ ) therefore $$F(x)=F'(1)ln x={log_e xover log_e e^{F'(1)}}=log_{e^{F'(x)}}x$$hence you can write $$a=e^{F'(1)}$$ where $F'(1)$ is arbitrarily any real number.






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      Since $F(xy)=F(x)+F(y)implies F(1)=0$ we have $F(x)=F(x)-F(1)=int_1^x (F'(1)/t)dt=F'(1)ln x =log_A(x)$ where $$A=exp {(1/F'(1))}.$$ Because for $x>1$ we have $$exp(ln x)=x=A^{log_A(x)}=[exp (ln A)]^{log_A(x)}=$$ $$=exp (;(ln A)(log_A(x);).$$ So $log_A(x)=(ln x)cdot (1/ln A).$



      In this case we have $1/ln A=F'(1),$ that is, $ln A=1/F'(1).$



      For example if $F'(1)=10$ the base $A$ is $e^{1/10}.$






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      • You still have to prove that under the given conditions $F'(1)ne 0$, so $A$ is always well defined. It's of course trivial to do given the results user114369 already got, but is has to be done.
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      • That integral diverges, check the bounds.
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      • @YoTengoUnLCD. That was a typo. Thanks.
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      Since $F(xy)=F(x)+F(y)implies F(1)=0$ we have $F(x)=F(x)-F(1)=int_1^x (F'(1)/t)dt=F'(1)ln x =log_A(x)$ where $$A=exp {(1/F'(1))}.$$ Because for $x>1$ we have $$exp(ln x)=x=A^{log_A(x)}=[exp (ln A)]^{log_A(x)}=$$ $$=exp (;(ln A)(log_A(x);).$$ So $log_A(x)=(ln x)cdot (1/ln A).$



      In this case we have $1/ln A=F'(1),$ that is, $ln A=1/F'(1).$



      For example if $F'(1)=10$ the base $A$ is $e^{1/10}.$






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      • You still have to prove that under the given conditions $F'(1)ne 0$, so $A$ is always well defined. It's of course trivial to do given the results user114369 already got, but is has to be done.
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      • That integral diverges, check the bounds.
        – YoTengoUnLCD
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      • @YoTengoUnLCD. That was a typo. Thanks.
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      Since $F(xy)=F(x)+F(y)implies F(1)=0$ we have $F(x)=F(x)-F(1)=int_1^x (F'(1)/t)dt=F'(1)ln x =log_A(x)$ where $$A=exp {(1/F'(1))}.$$ Because for $x>1$ we have $$exp(ln x)=x=A^{log_A(x)}=[exp (ln A)]^{log_A(x)}=$$ $$=exp (;(ln A)(log_A(x);).$$ So $log_A(x)=(ln x)cdot (1/ln A).$



      In this case we have $1/ln A=F'(1),$ that is, $ln A=1/F'(1).$



      For example if $F'(1)=10$ the base $A$ is $e^{1/10}.$






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      Since $F(xy)=F(x)+F(y)implies F(1)=0$ we have $F(x)=F(x)-F(1)=int_1^x (F'(1)/t)dt=F'(1)ln x =log_A(x)$ where $$A=exp {(1/F'(1))}.$$ Because for $x>1$ we have $$exp(ln x)=x=A^{log_A(x)}=[exp (ln A)]^{log_A(x)}=$$ $$=exp (;(ln A)(log_A(x);).$$ So $log_A(x)=(ln x)cdot (1/ln A).$



      In this case we have $1/ln A=F'(1),$ that is, $ln A=1/F'(1).$



      For example if $F'(1)=10$ the base $A$ is $e^{1/10}.$







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      • You still have to prove that under the given conditions $F'(1)ne 0$, so $A$ is always well defined. It's of course trivial to do given the results user114369 already got, but is has to be done.
        – celtschk
        Jan 17 '17 at 6:49












      • That integral diverges, check the bounds.
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        Jan 17 '17 at 8:11










      • @YoTengoUnLCD. That was a typo. Thanks.
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      • You still have to prove that under the given conditions $F'(1)ne 0$, so $A$ is always well defined. It's of course trivial to do given the results user114369 already got, but is has to be done.
        – celtschk
        Jan 17 '17 at 6:49












      • That integral diverges, check the bounds.
        – YoTengoUnLCD
        Jan 17 '17 at 8:11










      • @YoTengoUnLCD. That was a typo. Thanks.
        – DanielWainfleet
        Jan 18 '17 at 3:10
















      You still have to prove that under the given conditions $F'(1)ne 0$, so $A$ is always well defined. It's of course trivial to do given the results user114369 already got, but is has to be done.
      – celtschk
      Jan 17 '17 at 6:49






      You still have to prove that under the given conditions $F'(1)ne 0$, so $A$ is always well defined. It's of course trivial to do given the results user114369 already got, but is has to be done.
      – celtschk
      Jan 17 '17 at 6:49














      That integral diverges, check the bounds.
      – YoTengoUnLCD
      Jan 17 '17 at 8:11




      That integral diverges, check the bounds.
      – YoTengoUnLCD
      Jan 17 '17 at 8:11












      @YoTengoUnLCD. That was a typo. Thanks.
      – DanielWainfleet
      Jan 18 '17 at 3:10




      @YoTengoUnLCD. That was a typo. Thanks.
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      $$a^x=left(e^{text{log}(a)}right)^x = e^{text{log}(a)x}$$
      $$text{log}(a^x)=xtext{log}(a)$$
      $$text{log}_a(a^x)=x$$



      Extrapolating from here, we have



      $$text{log}_a(x) = frac {text{log}(x)}{text{log}(a)}$$



      It shouldn't be too hard to get your answer from this.






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        $$a^x=left(e^{text{log}(a)}right)^x = e^{text{log}(a)x}$$
        $$text{log}(a^x)=xtext{log}(a)$$
        $$text{log}_a(a^x)=x$$



        Extrapolating from here, we have



        $$text{log}_a(x) = frac {text{log}(x)}{text{log}(a)}$$



        It shouldn't be too hard to get your answer from this.






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          $$a^x=left(e^{text{log}(a)}right)^x = e^{text{log}(a)x}$$
          $$text{log}(a^x)=xtext{log}(a)$$
          $$text{log}_a(a^x)=x$$



          Extrapolating from here, we have



          $$text{log}_a(x) = frac {text{log}(x)}{text{log}(a)}$$



          It shouldn't be too hard to get your answer from this.






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          $$a^x=left(e^{text{log}(a)}right)^x = e^{text{log}(a)x}$$
          $$text{log}(a^x)=xtext{log}(a)$$
          $$text{log}_a(a^x)=x$$



          Extrapolating from here, we have



          $$text{log}_a(x) = frac {text{log}(x)}{text{log}(a)}$$



          It shouldn't be too hard to get your answer from this.







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              You can conclude that$$F(x)=F'(1)ln x+C$$where $C=0$ since $F(1)=0$ ( let $x=y=1$ ) therefore $$F(x)=F'(1)ln x={log_e xover log_e e^{F'(1)}}=log_{e^{F'(x)}}x$$hence you can write $$a=e^{F'(1)}$$ where $F'(1)$ is arbitrarily any real number.






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                You can conclude that$$F(x)=F'(1)ln x+C$$where $C=0$ since $F(1)=0$ ( let $x=y=1$ ) therefore $$F(x)=F'(1)ln x={log_e xover log_e e^{F'(1)}}=log_{e^{F'(x)}}x$$hence you can write $$a=e^{F'(1)}$$ where $F'(1)$ is arbitrarily any real number.






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                  You can conclude that$$F(x)=F'(1)ln x+C$$where $C=0$ since $F(1)=0$ ( let $x=y=1$ ) therefore $$F(x)=F'(1)ln x={log_e xover log_e e^{F'(1)}}=log_{e^{F'(x)}}x$$hence you can write $$a=e^{F'(1)}$$ where $F'(1)$ is arbitrarily any real number.






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                  You can conclude that$$F(x)=F'(1)ln x+C$$where $C=0$ since $F(1)=0$ ( let $x=y=1$ ) therefore $$F(x)=F'(1)ln x={log_e xover log_e e^{F'(1)}}=log_{e^{F'(x)}}x$$hence you can write $$a=e^{F'(1)}$$ where $F'(1)$ is arbitrarily any real number.







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