Why does the derivative of $sin^2x$ need the chain rule? Isn't it just $2sin x$ by the power rule?
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It's probably something obvious and I'm gonna slap myself in the face again, but
Why is the first derivative of $sin^2(x)$ calculated via the chain rule? Isn't it just a standard $x^a$ (power rule) case, and therefore just $2sin(x)$?
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It's probably something obvious and I'm gonna slap myself in the face again, but
Why is the first derivative of $sin^2(x)$ calculated via the chain rule? Isn't it just a standard $x^a$ (power rule) case, and therefore just $2sin(x)$?
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$x$ isn’t $sin x$.
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No. There's quite clearly a "$sin$" in there. $sin^2(x) = (sin(x))^2$. Notice how we've composed two functions together? That means that we need the chain rule.
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It's probably something obvious and I'm gonna slap myself in the face again, but
Why is the first derivative of $sin^2(x)$ calculated via the chain rule? Isn't it just a standard $x^a$ (power rule) case, and therefore just $2sin(x)$?
calculus functions trigonometry
It's probably something obvious and I'm gonna slap myself in the face again, but
Why is the first derivative of $sin^2(x)$ calculated via the chain rule? Isn't it just a standard $x^a$ (power rule) case, and therefore just $2sin(x)$?
calculus functions trigonometry
calculus functions trigonometry
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$x$ isn’t $sin x$.
– Randall
Nov 17 at 14:26
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No. There's quite clearly a "$sin$" in there. $sin^2(x) = (sin(x))^2$. Notice how we've composed two functions together? That means that we need the chain rule.
– user3482749
Nov 17 at 14:27
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$x$ isn’t $sin x$.
– Randall
Nov 17 at 14:26
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No. There's quite clearly a "$sin$" in there. $sin^2(x) = (sin(x))^2$. Notice how we've composed two functions together? That means that we need the chain rule.
– user3482749
Nov 17 at 14:27
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$x$ isn’t $sin x$.
– Randall
Nov 17 at 14:26
$x$ isn’t $sin x$.
– Randall
Nov 17 at 14:26
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No. There's quite clearly a "$sin$" in there. $sin^2(x) = (sin(x))^2$. Notice how we've composed two functions together? That means that we need the chain rule.
– user3482749
Nov 17 at 14:27
No. There's quite clearly a "$sin$" in there. $sin^2(x) = (sin(x))^2$. Notice how we've composed two functions together? That means that we need the chain rule.
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$sin xne x$, so using $x^a$ alone is not enough. In the $f(g(x))$ of the chain rule, $f(x)=x^2$ and $g(x)=sin x$.
Right. I knew it was something obvious that I was missing. $f(x)$ was $x^2$. Thanks!
– Arcturus
Nov 17 at 14:33
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Maybe a more convincing example. Following your logics,
$$((x^3)^2)'=2x^3.$$
But don't we have
$$((x^3)^2)'=(x^6)'=6x^5 ?!$$
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No it is a case
$$g(x)=[f(x)]^2implies g’(x)=2f(x)f’(x)$$
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$sin^2 x$ means $(sin x)^2$. You’re asked to differentiate with respect to $x$, not $sin x$, so the Chain Rule is required. So, this is a case of a composite function.
$$(f circ g)’(x) = f’(g(x))cdot g’$$
In this case, you have
$$big(u^2big)’ = 2ucdot u’$$
where $u = sin x$.
If, for whatever reason, you wanted to differentiate $u^2$ with respect to $u$, then you would have $2u$, but that isn’t the case.
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No! More general you got for the function $f(x)=x^a$ we get as derivative
$$f'(x)=(x^a)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot(x)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot1=ax^{a-1}$$
This only works out since the derivatives of the inner function, $x$, equals $1$. For the case that we got another function $g(x)$ as inner function we are forced to use the chain rule and thus $(f(g(x)))'=f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. Therefore for $f(x)=sin^2(x)$ we got
$$f'(x)=(sin^2(x))'=2sin(x)cdot(sin(x))'=2sin(x)cdotcos(x)=2sin(x)cos(x)$$
where the inner function is given by $g(x)=sin(x)$ and the outer function $f(x)=x^2$.
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The power rule can only be applied to take the derivative of a power of $x$, which isn't the case here. Write $sin^2(x)=sin(x)cdotsin(x)$. Now apply the product rule.
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$sin xne x$, so using $x^a$ alone is not enough. In the $f(g(x))$ of the chain rule, $f(x)=x^2$ and $g(x)=sin x$.
Right. I knew it was something obvious that I was missing. $f(x)$ was $x^2$. Thanks!
– Arcturus
Nov 17 at 14:33
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$sin xne x$, so using $x^a$ alone is not enough. In the $f(g(x))$ of the chain rule, $f(x)=x^2$ and $g(x)=sin x$.
Right. I knew it was something obvious that I was missing. $f(x)$ was $x^2$. Thanks!
– Arcturus
Nov 17 at 14:33
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$sin xne x$, so using $x^a$ alone is not enough. In the $f(g(x))$ of the chain rule, $f(x)=x^2$ and $g(x)=sin x$.
$sin xne x$, so using $x^a$ alone is not enough. In the $f(g(x))$ of the chain rule, $f(x)=x^2$ and $g(x)=sin x$.
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Right. I knew it was something obvious that I was missing. $f(x)$ was $x^2$. Thanks!
– Arcturus
Nov 17 at 14:33
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Right. I knew it was something obvious that I was missing. $f(x)$ was $x^2$. Thanks!
– Arcturus
Nov 17 at 14:33
Right. I knew it was something obvious that I was missing. $f(x)$ was $x^2$. Thanks!
– Arcturus
Nov 17 at 14:33
Right. I knew it was something obvious that I was missing. $f(x)$ was $x^2$. Thanks!
– Arcturus
Nov 17 at 14:33
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Maybe a more convincing example. Following your logics,
$$((x^3)^2)'=2x^3.$$
But don't we have
$$((x^3)^2)'=(x^6)'=6x^5 ?!$$
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Maybe a more convincing example. Following your logics,
$$((x^3)^2)'=2x^3.$$
But don't we have
$$((x^3)^2)'=(x^6)'=6x^5 ?!$$
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Maybe a more convincing example. Following your logics,
$$((x^3)^2)'=2x^3.$$
But don't we have
$$((x^3)^2)'=(x^6)'=6x^5 ?!$$
Maybe a more convincing example. Following your logics,
$$((x^3)^2)'=2x^3.$$
But don't we have
$$((x^3)^2)'=(x^6)'=6x^5 ?!$$
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No it is a case
$$g(x)=[f(x)]^2implies g’(x)=2f(x)f’(x)$$
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No it is a case
$$g(x)=[f(x)]^2implies g’(x)=2f(x)f’(x)$$
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No it is a case
$$g(x)=[f(x)]^2implies g’(x)=2f(x)f’(x)$$
No it is a case
$$g(x)=[f(x)]^2implies g’(x)=2f(x)f’(x)$$
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$sin^2 x$ means $(sin x)^2$. You’re asked to differentiate with respect to $x$, not $sin x$, so the Chain Rule is required. So, this is a case of a composite function.
$$(f circ g)’(x) = f’(g(x))cdot g’$$
In this case, you have
$$big(u^2big)’ = 2ucdot u’$$
where $u = sin x$.
If, for whatever reason, you wanted to differentiate $u^2$ with respect to $u$, then you would have $2u$, but that isn’t the case.
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$sin^2 x$ means $(sin x)^2$. You’re asked to differentiate with respect to $x$, not $sin x$, so the Chain Rule is required. So, this is a case of a composite function.
$$(f circ g)’(x) = f’(g(x))cdot g’$$
In this case, you have
$$big(u^2big)’ = 2ucdot u’$$
where $u = sin x$.
If, for whatever reason, you wanted to differentiate $u^2$ with respect to $u$, then you would have $2u$, but that isn’t the case.
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$sin^2 x$ means $(sin x)^2$. You’re asked to differentiate with respect to $x$, not $sin x$, so the Chain Rule is required. So, this is a case of a composite function.
$$(f circ g)’(x) = f’(g(x))cdot g’$$
In this case, you have
$$big(u^2big)’ = 2ucdot u’$$
where $u = sin x$.
If, for whatever reason, you wanted to differentiate $u^2$ with respect to $u$, then you would have $2u$, but that isn’t the case.
$sin^2 x$ means $(sin x)^2$. You’re asked to differentiate with respect to $x$, not $sin x$, so the Chain Rule is required. So, this is a case of a composite function.
$$(f circ g)’(x) = f’(g(x))cdot g’$$
In this case, you have
$$big(u^2big)’ = 2ucdot u’$$
where $u = sin x$.
If, for whatever reason, you wanted to differentiate $u^2$ with respect to $u$, then you would have $2u$, but that isn’t the case.
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No! More general you got for the function $f(x)=x^a$ we get as derivative
$$f'(x)=(x^a)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot(x)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot1=ax^{a-1}$$
This only works out since the derivatives of the inner function, $x$, equals $1$. For the case that we got another function $g(x)$ as inner function we are forced to use the chain rule and thus $(f(g(x)))'=f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. Therefore for $f(x)=sin^2(x)$ we got
$$f'(x)=(sin^2(x))'=2sin(x)cdot(sin(x))'=2sin(x)cdotcos(x)=2sin(x)cos(x)$$
where the inner function is given by $g(x)=sin(x)$ and the outer function $f(x)=x^2$.
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No! More general you got for the function $f(x)=x^a$ we get as derivative
$$f'(x)=(x^a)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot(x)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot1=ax^{a-1}$$
This only works out since the derivatives of the inner function, $x$, equals $1$. For the case that we got another function $g(x)$ as inner function we are forced to use the chain rule and thus $(f(g(x)))'=f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. Therefore for $f(x)=sin^2(x)$ we got
$$f'(x)=(sin^2(x))'=2sin(x)cdot(sin(x))'=2sin(x)cdotcos(x)=2sin(x)cos(x)$$
where the inner function is given by $g(x)=sin(x)$ and the outer function $f(x)=x^2$.
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No! More general you got for the function $f(x)=x^a$ we get as derivative
$$f'(x)=(x^a)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot(x)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot1=ax^{a-1}$$
This only works out since the derivatives of the inner function, $x$, equals $1$. For the case that we got another function $g(x)$ as inner function we are forced to use the chain rule and thus $(f(g(x)))'=f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. Therefore for $f(x)=sin^2(x)$ we got
$$f'(x)=(sin^2(x))'=2sin(x)cdot(sin(x))'=2sin(x)cdotcos(x)=2sin(x)cos(x)$$
where the inner function is given by $g(x)=sin(x)$ and the outer function $f(x)=x^2$.
No! More general you got for the function $f(x)=x^a$ we get as derivative
$$f'(x)=(x^a)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot(x)'=a(x)^{a-1}cdot1=ax^{a-1}$$
This only works out since the derivatives of the inner function, $x$, equals $1$. For the case that we got another function $g(x)$ as inner function we are forced to use the chain rule and thus $(f(g(x)))'=f'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$. Therefore for $f(x)=sin^2(x)$ we got
$$f'(x)=(sin^2(x))'=2sin(x)cdot(sin(x))'=2sin(x)cdotcos(x)=2sin(x)cos(x)$$
where the inner function is given by $g(x)=sin(x)$ and the outer function $f(x)=x^2$.
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The power rule can only be applied to take the derivative of a power of $x$, which isn't the case here. Write $sin^2(x)=sin(x)cdotsin(x)$. Now apply the product rule.
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The power rule can only be applied to take the derivative of a power of $x$, which isn't the case here. Write $sin^2(x)=sin(x)cdotsin(x)$. Now apply the product rule.
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The power rule can only be applied to take the derivative of a power of $x$, which isn't the case here. Write $sin^2(x)=sin(x)cdotsin(x)$. Now apply the product rule.
The power rule can only be applied to take the derivative of a power of $x$, which isn't the case here. Write $sin^2(x)=sin(x)cdotsin(x)$. Now apply the product rule.
answered Nov 17 at 18:32
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$x$ isn’t $sin x$.
– Randall
Nov 17 at 14:26
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No. There's quite clearly a "$sin$" in there. $sin^2(x) = (sin(x))^2$. Notice how we've composed two functions together? That means that we need the chain rule.
– user3482749
Nov 17 at 14:27