Justification of an isomorphism between $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)$ and $mathbb{Z}/3$












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I am wondering if the following is true:



$$mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)congmathbb{Z}/3.$$



I can tell that the ideal $(t,3)$ is maximal. In contrast, the ideal $(t^2,2t)$ is not even irreducible. So it's less likely that we can simplify $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t^2,2t)$ further.



If the aforementioned isomorphism is true, that means $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)cong(mathbb{Z}[t]/t)/(3)congmathbb{Z}/3$, where the $(3)$ is an ideal in $mathbb{Z}[t]/t$. My questions are:



1) Is this argument legitimate?



2) If it is true, is there any theorem justifying the aforementioned isomorphism?










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    I am wondering if the following is true:



    $$mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)congmathbb{Z}/3.$$



    I can tell that the ideal $(t,3)$ is maximal. In contrast, the ideal $(t^2,2t)$ is not even irreducible. So it's less likely that we can simplify $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t^2,2t)$ further.



    If the aforementioned isomorphism is true, that means $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)cong(mathbb{Z}[t]/t)/(3)congmathbb{Z}/3$, where the $(3)$ is an ideal in $mathbb{Z}[t]/t$. My questions are:



    1) Is this argument legitimate?



    2) If it is true, is there any theorem justifying the aforementioned isomorphism?










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      I am wondering if the following is true:



      $$mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)congmathbb{Z}/3.$$



      I can tell that the ideal $(t,3)$ is maximal. In contrast, the ideal $(t^2,2t)$ is not even irreducible. So it's less likely that we can simplify $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t^2,2t)$ further.



      If the aforementioned isomorphism is true, that means $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)cong(mathbb{Z}[t]/t)/(3)congmathbb{Z}/3$, where the $(3)$ is an ideal in $mathbb{Z}[t]/t$. My questions are:



      1) Is this argument legitimate?



      2) If it is true, is there any theorem justifying the aforementioned isomorphism?










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      I am wondering if the following is true:



      $$mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)congmathbb{Z}/3.$$



      I can tell that the ideal $(t,3)$ is maximal. In contrast, the ideal $(t^2,2t)$ is not even irreducible. So it's less likely that we can simplify $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t^2,2t)$ further.



      If the aforementioned isomorphism is true, that means $mathbb{Z}[t]/(t,3)cong(mathbb{Z}[t]/t)/(3)congmathbb{Z}/3$, where the $(3)$ is an ideal in $mathbb{Z}[t]/t$. My questions are:



      1) Is this argument legitimate?



      2) If it is true, is there any theorem justifying the aforementioned isomorphism?







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          Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:




          Claim. $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbb{Z}/langle3rangle$




          Well, I'll prove the following steps:



          $$Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecong frac{Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle}{langle x,3rangle/langle xrangle} congBbb{Z}/langle 3rangle$$




          • The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.


          • I think $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle cong Bbb{Z}$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $Bbb{Z}[x]$ to $Bbb{Z}$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.


          • Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:



          $phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in Bbb{Z}[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$



          See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!



          N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in Bbb{Z}[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.






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          • $>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
            – Bob Krueger
            Dec 2 at 8:26










          • @BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
            – Indrajit Ghosh
            Dec 2 at 8:36












          • What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
            – Asaf Karagila
            Dec 2 at 9:22












          • I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
            – Bob Krueger
            Dec 2 at 15:28



















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          It's legitimate and a consequence of the isomorphism theorems.






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            Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:




            Claim. $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbb{Z}/langle3rangle$




            Well, I'll prove the following steps:



            $$Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecong frac{Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle}{langle x,3rangle/langle xrangle} congBbb{Z}/langle 3rangle$$




            • The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.


            • I think $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle cong Bbb{Z}$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $Bbb{Z}[x]$ to $Bbb{Z}$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.


            • Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:



            $phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in Bbb{Z}[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$



            See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!



            N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in Bbb{Z}[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.






            share|cite|improve this answer























            • $>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
              – Bob Krueger
              Dec 2 at 8:26










            • @BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
              – Indrajit Ghosh
              Dec 2 at 8:36












            • What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
              – Asaf Karagila
              Dec 2 at 9:22












            • I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
              – Bob Krueger
              Dec 2 at 15:28
















            3














            Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:




            Claim. $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbb{Z}/langle3rangle$




            Well, I'll prove the following steps:



            $$Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecong frac{Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle}{langle x,3rangle/langle xrangle} congBbb{Z}/langle 3rangle$$




            • The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.


            • I think $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle cong Bbb{Z}$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $Bbb{Z}[x]$ to $Bbb{Z}$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.


            • Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:



            $phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in Bbb{Z}[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$



            See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!



            N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in Bbb{Z}[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.






            share|cite|improve this answer























            • $>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
              – Bob Krueger
              Dec 2 at 8:26










            • @BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
              – Indrajit Ghosh
              Dec 2 at 8:36












            • What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
              – Asaf Karagila
              Dec 2 at 9:22












            • I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
              – Bob Krueger
              Dec 2 at 15:28














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            Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:




            Claim. $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbb{Z}/langle3rangle$




            Well, I'll prove the following steps:



            $$Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecong frac{Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle}{langle x,3rangle/langle xrangle} congBbb{Z}/langle 3rangle$$




            • The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.


            • I think $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle cong Bbb{Z}$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $Bbb{Z}[x]$ to $Bbb{Z}$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.


            • Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:



            $phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in Bbb{Z}[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$



            See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!



            N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in Bbb{Z}[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.






            share|cite|improve this answer














            Yes your intuition is correct and I try to explain necessary steps:




            Claim. $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecongBbb{Z}/langle3rangle$




            Well, I'll prove the following steps:



            $$Bbb{Z}[x]/langle x,3ranglecong frac{Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle}{langle x,3rangle/langle xrangle} congBbb{Z}/langle 3rangle$$




            • The first isomorphism is due to the 2nd Isomorphism Theorem of Ring theory.


            • I think $Bbb{Z}[x]/langle xrangle cong Bbb{Z}$ is clear. (Hint: consider the homomorphism $f(x) mapsto f(0)$ form $Bbb{Z}[x]$ to $Bbb{Z}$ and use 1st Isomorphism Theorem on Rings.


            • Now for the equality $langle x,3rangle/langle xranglecong langle 3rangle$ Try to define the homomorphism as follows:



            $phi :langle x,3rangle to langle 3rangle$ by mapping any element $xf(x)+3g(x)in langle x,3 rangle$ to $3g(0) in langle 3rangle$ (N.B. Here, $f,g in Bbb{Z}[x]$), i.e. $$phi: xf(x)+3g(x) mapsto 3g(0)$$



            See that this is an epimorphism. Also $ker phi=langle xrangle$. Then by 1st Isomorphism theorem $langle x,3rangle/ker phi cong langle 3rangle$. Which justifies all your steps...!!



            N.B. To find out the $ker phi$, remember for any $g(x)in Bbb{Z}[x]$ if we have $g(0)=0$ that means $x$ is a factor of $g$ and so $gin langle xrangle$.







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            • $>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
              – Bob Krueger
              Dec 2 at 8:26










            • @BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
              – Indrajit Ghosh
              Dec 2 at 8:36












            • What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
              – Asaf Karagila
              Dec 2 at 9:22












            • I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
              – Bob Krueger
              Dec 2 at 15:28


















            • $>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
              – Bob Krueger
              Dec 2 at 8:26










            • @BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
              – Indrajit Ghosh
              Dec 2 at 8:36












            • What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
              – Asaf Karagila
              Dec 2 at 9:22












            • I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
              – Bob Krueger
              Dec 2 at 15:28
















            $>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
            – Bob Krueger
            Dec 2 at 8:26




            $>$ is an operator; &rangle$ is a grouping symbol. They have different formatting rules, and are the reason for all the weird spaces in your answer.
            – Bob Krueger
            Dec 2 at 8:26












            @BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
            – Indrajit Ghosh
            Dec 2 at 8:36






            @BobKrueger...Thanks for mentioning that....I'll take care of it next time....:)
            – Indrajit Ghosh
            Dec 2 at 8:36














            What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
            – Asaf Karagila
            Dec 2 at 9:22






            What's wrong with using the edit function to fix it this time as well? Is your time somehow more important than that of someone who might have edited this?
            – Asaf Karagila
            Dec 2 at 9:22














            I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
            – Bob Krueger
            Dec 2 at 15:28




            I’ll note that I didn’t edit it so that the poster would recognize the mistake. @IndrajitGhosh happy to help even if it’s not expressly math.
            – Bob Krueger
            Dec 2 at 15:28











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            It's legitimate and a consequence of the isomorphism theorems.






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