Why was Theseus at the Rally?
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Having just seen The Crimes of Grindelwald I find myself confused as to why Theseus and his Auror team were at
Grindelwald's Rally at the Lestrange family tomb in Paris.
I thought Theseus worked as an Auror for the British Ministry of Magic? Wouldn't there be a jurisdictional issue, and a potential international incident?
Was Theseus part of some sort of British-French joint task force? I don't recall this ever being mentioned, but I suppose I might have missed it.
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Having just seen The Crimes of Grindelwald I find myself confused as to why Theseus and his Auror team were at
Grindelwald's Rally at the Lestrange family tomb in Paris.
I thought Theseus worked as an Auror for the British Ministry of Magic? Wouldn't there be a jurisdictional issue, and a potential international incident?
Was Theseus part of some sort of British-French joint task force? I don't recall this ever being mentioned, but I suppose I might have missed it.
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I'm not certain that audiences would have warmed to a series of long meetings where they discuss inter-ministry cooperation initiatives and jurisdictional boundaries.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 8:46
@Valorum, if it was directed by George Lucas, it could have been a blockbuster. :-) But seriously, they could have (and may have, for all I know) explained things by simply describing the task force, in passing, by name. (Come to think of it, when Theseus and company were at Hogwarts I think they did drop a name, in response to being told they couldn't just barge in like that. I think that was just something like "we work for the Ministry" though? If it was "Ministries" or something that would pretty much confirm your answer ...)
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 10:02
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Having just seen The Crimes of Grindelwald I find myself confused as to why Theseus and his Auror team were at
Grindelwald's Rally at the Lestrange family tomb in Paris.
I thought Theseus worked as an Auror for the British Ministry of Magic? Wouldn't there be a jurisdictional issue, and a potential international incident?
Was Theseus part of some sort of British-French joint task force? I don't recall this ever being mentioned, but I suppose I might have missed it.
harry-potter fantastic-beasts the-crimes-of-grindelwald
asked Nov 18 at 8:08
Harry Johnston
13.2k23265
Having just seen The Crimes of Grindelwald I find myself confused as to why Theseus and his Auror team were at
Grindelwald's Rally at the Lestrange family tomb in Paris.
I thought Theseus worked as an Auror for the British Ministry of Magic? Wouldn't there be a jurisdictional issue, and a potential international incident?
Was Theseus part of some sort of British-French joint task force? I don't recall this ever being mentioned, but I suppose I might have missed it.
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harry-potter fantastic-beasts the-crimes-of-grindelwald
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asked Nov 18 at 8:08
Harry Johnston
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Harry Johnston
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Harry Johnston
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Harry Johnston
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I'm not certain that audiences would have warmed to a series of long meetings where they discuss inter-ministry cooperation initiatives and jurisdictional boundaries.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 8:46
@Valorum, if it was directed by George Lucas, it could have been a blockbuster. :-) But seriously, they could have (and may have, for all I know) explained things by simply describing the task force, in passing, by name. (Come to think of it, when Theseus and company were at Hogwarts I think they did drop a name, in response to being told they couldn't just barge in like that. I think that was just something like "we work for the Ministry" though? If it was "Ministries" or something that would pretty much confirm your answer ...)
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 10:02
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I'm not certain that audiences would have warmed to a series of long meetings where they discuss inter-ministry cooperation initiatives and jurisdictional boundaries.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 8:46
@Valorum, if it was directed by George Lucas, it could have been a blockbuster. :-) But seriously, they could have (and may have, for all I know) explained things by simply describing the task force, in passing, by name. (Come to think of it, when Theseus and company were at Hogwarts I think they did drop a name, in response to being told they couldn't just barge in like that. I think that was just something like "we work for the Ministry" though? If it was "Ministries" or something that would pretty much confirm your answer ...)
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 10:02
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I'm not certain that audiences would have warmed to a series of long meetings where they discuss inter-ministry cooperation initiatives and jurisdictional boundaries.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 8:46
I'm not certain that audiences would have warmed to a series of long meetings where they discuss inter-ministry cooperation initiatives and jurisdictional boundaries.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 8:46
@Valorum, if it was directed by George Lucas, it could have been a blockbuster. :-) But seriously, they could have (and may have, for all I know) explained things by simply describing the task force, in passing, by name. (Come to think of it, when Theseus and company were at Hogwarts I think they did drop a name, in response to being told they couldn't just barge in like that. I think that was just something like "we work for the Ministry" though? If it was "Ministries" or something that would pretty much confirm your answer ...)
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 10:02
@Valorum, if it was directed by George Lucas, it could have been a blockbuster. :-) But seriously, they could have (and may have, for all I know) explained things by simply describing the task force, in passing, by name. (Come to think of it, when Theseus and company were at Hogwarts I think they did drop a name, in response to being told they couldn't just barge in like that. I think that was just something like "we work for the Ministry" though? If it was "Ministries" or something that would pretty much confirm your answer ...)
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 10:02
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Theseus and Leta were shown to be operating out of the French Ministry in an earlier scene. Their boss, Travers, shows up a few scenes later and starts ordering them around.
INT. MINISTÈRE DES AFFAIRES MAGIQUES, MAIN LEVEL—NIGHT
THESEUS exits a meeting room and strides toward LETA, who is waiting for him.
LETA: What’s happening?
THESEUS: Grindelwald’s rallying. We don’t know where, but we think it’s tonight.
I think it's fair to say that given the large number of aurors (50+) that show up later in the film that this was a multi-jurisdictional taskforce operating within France but under the general authority of what Kama refers to as the ...
"Ministries of Europe"
... for the purposes of defeating a Europe-wide threat. Grindelwald represents an existential threat to the whole wizarding world and is alleged to have committed crimes across the continent, largely ignoring borders and boundaries. That being that case, it would seem wise for Aurors from a range of countries to work together.
SPIELMAN: Six months are enough. It’s time for him to answer for his crimes in Europe.
answered Nov 18 at 9:02
Valorum
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Sounds reasonable. Do we know the name and/or position of the man who ordered Theseus to arrest everyone found at the rally?
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 9:54
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@HarryJohnston - That would be TRAVERS: "I’m the Head of Magical Law Enforcement"
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 10:28
Thanks. It seems a little odd to me that the British Head of Magical Law Enforcement would be allowed to give orders to a multi-jurisdictional taskforce, particularly given that (according to the original series) Grindelwald never operated in Britain. But perhaps Travers was put in charge for that very reason, as a neutral party without an axe of his own to grind, or perhaps he was ignoring the line of command when he spoke to Theseus and Lita, I don't think it would be out of character. Either way I guess it works. I'll wait the usual 24 hours, but I think I can accept this answer.
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 18:22
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@HarryJohnston - This film seems to treat Europe as a single country, something that JKR has been accused of when describing Africa.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:03
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@HarryJohnston - It's pretty clear that France has its own sovereign Ministry but the film acts as if it's just a place to have a confrontation with the baddie.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:32
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Theseus and Leta were shown to be operating out of the French Ministry in an earlier scene. Their boss, Travers, shows up a few scenes later and starts ordering them around.
INT. MINISTÈRE DES AFFAIRES MAGIQUES, MAIN LEVEL—NIGHT
THESEUS exits a meeting room and strides toward LETA, who is waiting for him.
LETA: What’s happening?
THESEUS: Grindelwald’s rallying. We don’t know where, but we think it’s tonight.
I think it's fair to say that given the large number of aurors (50+) that show up later in the film that this was a multi-jurisdictional taskforce operating within France but under the general authority of what Kama refers to as the ...
"Ministries of Europe"
... for the purposes of defeating a Europe-wide threat. Grindelwald represents an existential threat to the whole wizarding world and is alleged to have committed crimes across the continent, largely ignoring borders and boundaries. That being that case, it would seem wise for Aurors from a range of countries to work together.
SPIELMAN: Six months are enough. It’s time for him to answer for his crimes in Europe.
answered Nov 18 at 9:02
Valorum
389k10028333069
Sounds reasonable. Do we know the name and/or position of the man who ordered Theseus to arrest everyone found at the rally?
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 9:54
1
@HarryJohnston - That would be TRAVERS: "I’m the Head of Magical Law Enforcement"
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 10:28
Thanks. It seems a little odd to me that the British Head of Magical Law Enforcement would be allowed to give orders to a multi-jurisdictional taskforce, particularly given that (according to the original series) Grindelwald never operated in Britain. But perhaps Travers was put in charge for that very reason, as a neutral party without an axe of his own to grind, or perhaps he was ignoring the line of command when he spoke to Theseus and Lita, I don't think it would be out of character. Either way I guess it works. I'll wait the usual 24 hours, but I think I can accept this answer.
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 18:22
2
@HarryJohnston - This film seems to treat Europe as a single country, something that JKR has been accused of when describing Africa.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:03
1
@HarryJohnston - It's pretty clear that France has its own sovereign Ministry but the film acts as if it's just a place to have a confrontation with the baddie.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:32
|
show 2 more comments
up vote
10
down vote
accepted
Theseus and Leta were shown to be operating out of the French Ministry in an earlier scene. Their boss, Travers, shows up a few scenes later and starts ordering them around.
INT. MINISTÈRE DES AFFAIRES MAGIQUES, MAIN LEVEL—NIGHT
THESEUS exits a meeting room and strides toward LETA, who is waiting for him.
LETA: What’s happening?
THESEUS: Grindelwald’s rallying. We don’t know where, but we think it’s tonight.
I think it's fair to say that given the large number of aurors (50+) that show up later in the film that this was a multi-jurisdictional taskforce operating within France but under the general authority of what Kama refers to as the ...
"Ministries of Europe"
... for the purposes of defeating a Europe-wide threat. Grindelwald represents an existential threat to the whole wizarding world and is alleged to have committed crimes across the continent, largely ignoring borders and boundaries. That being that case, it would seem wise for Aurors from a range of countries to work together.
SPIELMAN: Six months are enough. It’s time for him to answer for his crimes in Europe.
answered Nov 18 at 9:02
Valorum
389k10028333069
Sounds reasonable. Do we know the name and/or position of the man who ordered Theseus to arrest everyone found at the rally?
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 9:54
1
@HarryJohnston - That would be TRAVERS: "I’m the Head of Magical Law Enforcement"
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 10:28
Thanks. It seems a little odd to me that the British Head of Magical Law Enforcement would be allowed to give orders to a multi-jurisdictional taskforce, particularly given that (according to the original series) Grindelwald never operated in Britain. But perhaps Travers was put in charge for that very reason, as a neutral party without an axe of his own to grind, or perhaps he was ignoring the line of command when he spoke to Theseus and Lita, I don't think it would be out of character. Either way I guess it works. I'll wait the usual 24 hours, but I think I can accept this answer.
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 18:22
2
@HarryJohnston - This film seems to treat Europe as a single country, something that JKR has been accused of when describing Africa.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:03
1
@HarryJohnston - It's pretty clear that France has its own sovereign Ministry but the film acts as if it's just a place to have a confrontation with the baddie.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:32
|
show 2 more comments
up vote
10
down vote
accepted
up vote
10
down vote
accepted
Theseus and Leta were shown to be operating out of the French Ministry in an earlier scene. Their boss, Travers, shows up a few scenes later and starts ordering them around.
INT. MINISTÈRE DES AFFAIRES MAGIQUES, MAIN LEVEL—NIGHT
THESEUS exits a meeting room and strides toward LETA, who is waiting for him.
LETA: What’s happening?
THESEUS: Grindelwald’s rallying. We don’t know where, but we think it’s tonight.
I think it's fair to say that given the large number of aurors (50+) that show up later in the film that this was a multi-jurisdictional taskforce operating within France but under the general authority of what Kama refers to as the ...
"Ministries of Europe"
... for the purposes of defeating a Europe-wide threat. Grindelwald represents an existential threat to the whole wizarding world and is alleged to have committed crimes across the continent, largely ignoring borders and boundaries. That being that case, it would seem wise for Aurors from a range of countries to work together.
SPIELMAN: Six months are enough. It’s time for him to answer for his crimes in Europe.
answered Nov 18 at 9:02
Valorum
389k10028333069
Theseus and Leta were shown to be operating out of the French Ministry in an earlier scene. Their boss, Travers, shows up a few scenes later and starts ordering them around.
INT. MINISTÈRE DES AFFAIRES MAGIQUES, MAIN LEVEL—NIGHT
THESEUS exits a meeting room and strides toward LETA, who is waiting for him.
LETA: What’s happening?
THESEUS: Grindelwald’s rallying. We don’t know where, but we think it’s tonight.
I think it's fair to say that given the large number of aurors (50+) that show up later in the film that this was a multi-jurisdictional taskforce operating within France but under the general authority of what Kama refers to as the ...
"Ministries of Europe"
... for the purposes of defeating a Europe-wide threat. Grindelwald represents an existential threat to the whole wizarding world and is alleged to have committed crimes across the continent, largely ignoring borders and boundaries. That being that case, it would seem wise for Aurors from a range of countries to work together.
SPIELMAN: Six months are enough. It’s time for him to answer for his crimes in Europe.
answered Nov 18 at 9:02
Valorum
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answered Nov 18 at 9:02
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answered Nov 18 at 9:02
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answered Nov 18 at 9:02
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Sounds reasonable. Do we know the name and/or position of the man who ordered Theseus to arrest everyone found at the rally?
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 9:54
1
@HarryJohnston - That would be TRAVERS: "I’m the Head of Magical Law Enforcement"
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 10:28
Thanks. It seems a little odd to me that the British Head of Magical Law Enforcement would be allowed to give orders to a multi-jurisdictional taskforce, particularly given that (according to the original series) Grindelwald never operated in Britain. But perhaps Travers was put in charge for that very reason, as a neutral party without an axe of his own to grind, or perhaps he was ignoring the line of command when he spoke to Theseus and Lita, I don't think it would be out of character. Either way I guess it works. I'll wait the usual 24 hours, but I think I can accept this answer.
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 18:22
2
@HarryJohnston - This film seems to treat Europe as a single country, something that JKR has been accused of when describing Africa.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:03
1
@HarryJohnston - It's pretty clear that France has its own sovereign Ministry but the film acts as if it's just a place to have a confrontation with the baddie.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:32
|
show 2 more comments
Sounds reasonable. Do we know the name and/or position of the man who ordered Theseus to arrest everyone found at the rally?
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 9:54
1
@HarryJohnston - That would be TRAVERS: "I’m the Head of Magical Law Enforcement"
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 10:28
Thanks. It seems a little odd to me that the British Head of Magical Law Enforcement would be allowed to give orders to a multi-jurisdictional taskforce, particularly given that (according to the original series) Grindelwald never operated in Britain. But perhaps Travers was put in charge for that very reason, as a neutral party without an axe of his own to grind, or perhaps he was ignoring the line of command when he spoke to Theseus and Lita, I don't think it would be out of character. Either way I guess it works. I'll wait the usual 24 hours, but I think I can accept this answer.
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 18:22
2
@HarryJohnston - This film seems to treat Europe as a single country, something that JKR has been accused of when describing Africa.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:03
1
@HarryJohnston - It's pretty clear that France has its own sovereign Ministry but the film acts as if it's just a place to have a confrontation with the baddie.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:32
Sounds reasonable. Do we know the name and/or position of the man who ordered Theseus to arrest everyone found at the rally?
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 9:54
Sounds reasonable. Do we know the name and/or position of the man who ordered Theseus to arrest everyone found at the rally?
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 9:54
1
1
@HarryJohnston - That would be TRAVERS: "I’m the Head of Magical Law Enforcement"
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 10:28
@HarryJohnston - That would be TRAVERS: "I’m the Head of Magical Law Enforcement"
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 10:28
Thanks. It seems a little odd to me that the British Head of Magical Law Enforcement would be allowed to give orders to a multi-jurisdictional taskforce, particularly given that (according to the original series) Grindelwald never operated in Britain. But perhaps Travers was put in charge for that very reason, as a neutral party without an axe of his own to grind, or perhaps he was ignoring the line of command when he spoke to Theseus and Lita, I don't think it would be out of character. Either way I guess it works. I'll wait the usual 24 hours, but I think I can accept this answer.
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 18:22
Thanks. It seems a little odd to me that the British Head of Magical Law Enforcement would be allowed to give orders to a multi-jurisdictional taskforce, particularly given that (according to the original series) Grindelwald never operated in Britain. But perhaps Travers was put in charge for that very reason, as a neutral party without an axe of his own to grind, or perhaps he was ignoring the line of command when he spoke to Theseus and Lita, I don't think it would be out of character. Either way I guess it works. I'll wait the usual 24 hours, but I think I can accept this answer.
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 18:22
2
2
@HarryJohnston - This film seems to treat Europe as a single country, something that JKR has been accused of when describing Africa.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:03
@HarryJohnston - This film seems to treat Europe as a single country, something that JKR has been accused of when describing Africa.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:03
1
1
@HarryJohnston - It's pretty clear that France has its own sovereign Ministry but the film acts as if it's just a place to have a confrontation with the baddie.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:32
@HarryJohnston - It's pretty clear that France has its own sovereign Ministry but the film acts as if it's just a place to have a confrontation with the baddie.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 19:32
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I'm not certain that audiences would have warmed to a series of long meetings where they discuss inter-ministry cooperation initiatives and jurisdictional boundaries.
– Valorum
Nov 18 at 8:46
@Valorum, if it was directed by George Lucas, it could have been a blockbuster. :-) But seriously, they could have (and may have, for all I know) explained things by simply describing the task force, in passing, by name. (Come to think of it, when Theseus and company were at Hogwarts I think they did drop a name, in response to being told they couldn't just barge in like that. I think that was just something like "we work for the Ministry" though? If it was "Ministries" or something that would pretty much confirm your answer ...)
– Harry Johnston
Nov 18 at 10:02