“By doing sth, it is …” is it real English?
Here is a quote from the Global Times article "China rumors fly before Taiwan vote":
By restating these rumors, it’s they who are guiding the public
opinion, trying to influence people’s voting.
I think it's not a decent English.
sentence-structure
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:51
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Here is a quote from the Global Times article "China rumors fly before Taiwan vote":
By restating these rumors, it’s they who are guiding the public
opinion, trying to influence people’s voting.
I think it's not a decent English.
sentence-structure
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:51
Lightness Races in Orbit
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asked Nov 23 '18 at 6:10
Zhang
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What makes you think that this is not legitimate English? Furthermore, where did you get that quote from? It'd be kind of helpful if you could cite your source.
– Michael Rybkin
Nov 23 '18 at 6:18
@MichaelRybkin What is the subject? "By restating these rumors"? "it" refers to "By restating these rumors"?
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:44
@MichaelRybkin Because I feet it a real Chinese what was translated to English.
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:46
Will it be easier for you to understand if it's paraphrased as: By restating these rumors, they are guiding the public opinion, trying to influence people’s voting. ? The structure "It's...who..." is used for the emphasis purpose. Here it emphasized 'they',( not someone else) who are doing those things.
– dan
Nov 23 '18 at 7:52
the linked article reads quite tersely, it doesn't flow. The sentence you mention is fine
– Vorsprung
Nov 23 '18 at 8:35
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Here is a quote from the Global Times article "China rumors fly before Taiwan vote":
By restating these rumors, it’s they who are guiding the public
opinion, trying to influence people’s voting.
I think it's not a decent English.
sentence-structure
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:51
Lightness Races in Orbit
1,314810
asked Nov 23 '18 at 6:10
Zhang
1,251622
Here is a quote from the Global Times article "China rumors fly before Taiwan vote":
By restating these rumors, it’s they who are guiding the public
opinion, trying to influence people’s voting.
I think it's not a decent English.
sentence-structure
sentence-structure
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:51
Lightness Races in Orbit
1,314810
asked Nov 23 '18 at 6:10
Zhang
1,251622
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:51
Lightness Races in Orbit
1,314810
asked Nov 23 '18 at 6:10
Zhang
1,251622
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:51
Lightness Races in Orbit
1,314810
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:51
Lightness Races in Orbit
1,314810
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:51
Lightness Races in Orbit
1,314810
1,314810
asked Nov 23 '18 at 6:10
Zhang
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asked Nov 23 '18 at 6:10
Zhang
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asked Nov 23 '18 at 6:10
Zhang
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What makes you think that this is not legitimate English? Furthermore, where did you get that quote from? It'd be kind of helpful if you could cite your source.
– Michael Rybkin
Nov 23 '18 at 6:18
@MichaelRybkin What is the subject? "By restating these rumors"? "it" refers to "By restating these rumors"?
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:44
@MichaelRybkin Because I feet it a real Chinese what was translated to English.
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:46
Will it be easier for you to understand if it's paraphrased as: By restating these rumors, they are guiding the public opinion, trying to influence people’s voting. ? The structure "It's...who..." is used for the emphasis purpose. Here it emphasized 'they',( not someone else) who are doing those things.
– dan
Nov 23 '18 at 7:52
the linked article reads quite tersely, it doesn't flow. The sentence you mention is fine
– Vorsprung
Nov 23 '18 at 8:35
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What makes you think that this is not legitimate English? Furthermore, where did you get that quote from? It'd be kind of helpful if you could cite your source.
– Michael Rybkin
Nov 23 '18 at 6:18
@MichaelRybkin What is the subject? "By restating these rumors"? "it" refers to "By restating these rumors"?
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:44
@MichaelRybkin Because I feet it a real Chinese what was translated to English.
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:46
Will it be easier for you to understand if it's paraphrased as: By restating these rumors, they are guiding the public opinion, trying to influence people’s voting. ? The structure "It's...who..." is used for the emphasis purpose. Here it emphasized 'they',( not someone else) who are doing those things.
– dan
Nov 23 '18 at 7:52
the linked article reads quite tersely, it doesn't flow. The sentence you mention is fine
– Vorsprung
Nov 23 '18 at 8:35
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What makes you think that this is not legitimate English? Furthermore, where did you get that quote from? It'd be kind of helpful if you could cite your source.
– Michael Rybkin
Nov 23 '18 at 6:18
What makes you think that this is not legitimate English? Furthermore, where did you get that quote from? It'd be kind of helpful if you could cite your source.
– Michael Rybkin
Nov 23 '18 at 6:18
@MichaelRybkin What is the subject? "By restating these rumors"? "it" refers to "By restating these rumors"?
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:44
@MichaelRybkin What is the subject? "By restating these rumors"? "it" refers to "By restating these rumors"?
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:44
@MichaelRybkin Because I feet it a real Chinese what was translated to English.
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:46
@MichaelRybkin Because I feet it a real Chinese what was translated to English.
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:46
Will it be easier for you to understand if it's paraphrased as: By restating these rumors, they are guiding the public opinion, trying to influence people’s voting. ? The structure "It's...who..." is used for the emphasis purpose. Here it emphasized 'they',( not someone else) who are doing those things.
– dan
Nov 23 '18 at 7:52
Will it be easier for you to understand if it's paraphrased as: By restating these rumors, they are guiding the public opinion, trying to influence people’s voting. ? The structure "It's...who..." is used for the emphasis purpose. Here it emphasized 'they',( not someone else) who are doing those things.
– dan
Nov 23 '18 at 7:52
the linked article reads quite tersely, it doesn't flow. The sentence you mention is fine
– Vorsprung
Nov 23 '18 at 8:35
the linked article reads quite tersely, it doesn't flow. The sentence you mention is fine
– Vorsprung
Nov 23 '18 at 8:35
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There's nothing wrong with that sentence. "By" here uses this definition of the word:
[often with verbal noun] Indicating the means of achieving something.
‘malaria can be controlled by attacking the parasite’
Oxford Dictionaries
For this specific definition of "by", it is OK for the entire prepositional phrase to be moved to the beginning of the sentence.
Here's an example:
By doing that you made the whole crime worthless.
Cast in Order of Disappearance
For hundreds (even thousands) of examples you can search . by *ing (the . matches a period and *ing matches words ending in "ing") in COCA (for American English) or BNC (for British English).
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Laurel
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I have never thought COCA can do regex search, excellent
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 7:33
3
@马化腾 It's not a regex search, since the symbols are different. Also, what it can do only slightly overlaps with regexes. It's much more useful for language queries. Someday I'll write a tutorial for the BYU corpora, since the syntax is definitely equally as confusing...
– Laurel
Nov 23 '18 at 9:05
add a comment |
There are numerous grammatical and idiomatic errors in the linked article. It was clearly written by a non-native English speaker. I can't tell you if this is because it is a translation from the Chinese, or for some other reason.
However, this particular sentence is fine. This use of "it" is what is called an "existential" or "dummy" pronoun, and is quite common. Other examples:
A: Thank you for making dinner for us!
B: You're welcome, but I can't take credit. It is my brother who did all the cooking.
It is true that I own a zebra.
Isn't it obvious? It is Professor Plum who committed the murder, in the library, with the lead pipe!
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
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There's nothing wrong with that sentence. "By" here uses this definition of the word:
[often with verbal noun] Indicating the means of achieving something.
‘malaria can be controlled by attacking the parasite’
Oxford Dictionaries
For this specific definition of "by", it is OK for the entire prepositional phrase to be moved to the beginning of the sentence.
Here's an example:
By doing that you made the whole crime worthless.
Cast in Order of Disappearance
For hundreds (even thousands) of examples you can search . by *ing (the . matches a period and *ing matches words ending in "ing") in COCA (for American English) or BNC (for British English).
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Laurel
4,82811127
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I have never thought COCA can do regex search, excellent
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 7:33
3
@马化腾 It's not a regex search, since the symbols are different. Also, what it can do only slightly overlaps with regexes. It's much more useful for language queries. Someday I'll write a tutorial for the BYU corpora, since the syntax is definitely equally as confusing...
– Laurel
Nov 23 '18 at 9:05
add a comment |
There's nothing wrong with that sentence. "By" here uses this definition of the word:
[often with verbal noun] Indicating the means of achieving something.
‘malaria can be controlled by attacking the parasite’
Oxford Dictionaries
For this specific definition of "by", it is OK for the entire prepositional phrase to be moved to the beginning of the sentence.
Here's an example:
By doing that you made the whole crime worthless.
Cast in Order of Disappearance
For hundreds (even thousands) of examples you can search . by *ing (the . matches a period and *ing matches words ending in "ing") in COCA (for American English) or BNC (for British English).
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Laurel
4,82811127
1
I have never thought COCA can do regex search, excellent
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 7:33
3
@马化腾 It's not a regex search, since the symbols are different. Also, what it can do only slightly overlaps with regexes. It's much more useful for language queries. Someday I'll write a tutorial for the BYU corpora, since the syntax is definitely equally as confusing...
– Laurel
Nov 23 '18 at 9:05
add a comment |
There's nothing wrong with that sentence. "By" here uses this definition of the word:
[often with verbal noun] Indicating the means of achieving something.
‘malaria can be controlled by attacking the parasite’
Oxford Dictionaries
For this specific definition of "by", it is OK for the entire prepositional phrase to be moved to the beginning of the sentence.
Here's an example:
By doing that you made the whole crime worthless.
Cast in Order of Disappearance
For hundreds (even thousands) of examples you can search . by *ing (the . matches a period and *ing matches words ending in "ing") in COCA (for American English) or BNC (for British English).
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Laurel
4,82811127
There's nothing wrong with that sentence. "By" here uses this definition of the word:
[often with verbal noun] Indicating the means of achieving something.
‘malaria can be controlled by attacking the parasite’
Oxford Dictionaries
For this specific definition of "by", it is OK for the entire prepositional phrase to be moved to the beginning of the sentence.
Here's an example:
By doing that you made the whole crime worthless.
Cast in Order of Disappearance
For hundreds (even thousands) of examples you can search . by *ing (the . matches a period and *ing matches words ending in "ing") in COCA (for American English) or BNC (for British English).
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Laurel
4,82811127
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Laurel
4,82811127
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Laurel
4,82811127
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Laurel
4,82811127
4,82811127
1
I have never thought COCA can do regex search, excellent
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 7:33
3
@马化腾 It's not a regex search, since the symbols are different. Also, what it can do only slightly overlaps with regexes. It's much more useful for language queries. Someday I'll write a tutorial for the BYU corpora, since the syntax is definitely equally as confusing...
– Laurel
Nov 23 '18 at 9:05
add a comment |
1
I have never thought COCA can do regex search, excellent
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 7:33
3
@马化腾 It's not a regex search, since the symbols are different. Also, what it can do only slightly overlaps with regexes. It's much more useful for language queries. Someday I'll write a tutorial for the BYU corpora, since the syntax is definitely equally as confusing...
– Laurel
Nov 23 '18 at 9:05
1
1
I have never thought COCA can do regex search, excellent
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 7:33
I have never thought COCA can do regex search, excellent
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 7:33
3
3
@马化腾 It's not a regex search, since the symbols are different. Also, what it can do only slightly overlaps with regexes. It's much more useful for language queries. Someday I'll write a tutorial for the BYU corpora, since the syntax is definitely equally as confusing...
– Laurel
Nov 23 '18 at 9:05
@马化腾 It's not a regex search, since the symbols are different. Also, what it can do only slightly overlaps with regexes. It's much more useful for language queries. Someday I'll write a tutorial for the BYU corpora, since the syntax is definitely equally as confusing...
– Laurel
Nov 23 '18 at 9:05
add a comment |
There are numerous grammatical and idiomatic errors in the linked article. It was clearly written by a non-native English speaker. I can't tell you if this is because it is a translation from the Chinese, or for some other reason.
However, this particular sentence is fine. This use of "it" is what is called an "existential" or "dummy" pronoun, and is quite common. Other examples:
A: Thank you for making dinner for us!
B: You're welcome, but I can't take credit. It is my brother who did all the cooking.
It is true that I own a zebra.
Isn't it obvious? It is Professor Plum who committed the murder, in the library, with the lead pipe!
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Andrew
65.9k675145
add a comment |
There are numerous grammatical and idiomatic errors in the linked article. It was clearly written by a non-native English speaker. I can't tell you if this is because it is a translation from the Chinese, or for some other reason.
However, this particular sentence is fine. This use of "it" is what is called an "existential" or "dummy" pronoun, and is quite common. Other examples:
A: Thank you for making dinner for us!
B: You're welcome, but I can't take credit. It is my brother who did all the cooking.
It is true that I own a zebra.
Isn't it obvious? It is Professor Plum who committed the murder, in the library, with the lead pipe!
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Andrew
65.9k675145
add a comment |
There are numerous grammatical and idiomatic errors in the linked article. It was clearly written by a non-native English speaker. I can't tell you if this is because it is a translation from the Chinese, or for some other reason.
However, this particular sentence is fine. This use of "it" is what is called an "existential" or "dummy" pronoun, and is quite common. Other examples:
A: Thank you for making dinner for us!
B: You're welcome, but I can't take credit. It is my brother who did all the cooking.
It is true that I own a zebra.
Isn't it obvious? It is Professor Plum who committed the murder, in the library, with the lead pipe!
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Andrew
65.9k675145
There are numerous grammatical and idiomatic errors in the linked article. It was clearly written by a non-native English speaker. I can't tell you if this is because it is a translation from the Chinese, or for some other reason.
However, this particular sentence is fine. This use of "it" is what is called an "existential" or "dummy" pronoun, and is quite common. Other examples:
A: Thank you for making dinner for us!
B: You're welcome, but I can't take credit. It is my brother who did all the cooking.
It is true that I own a zebra.
Isn't it obvious? It is Professor Plum who committed the murder, in the library, with the lead pipe!
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Andrew
65.9k675145
edited Nov 23 '18 at 17:46
answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Andrew
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answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
Andrew
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answered Nov 23 '18 at 6:54
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What makes you think that this is not legitimate English? Furthermore, where did you get that quote from? It'd be kind of helpful if you could cite your source.
– Michael Rybkin
Nov 23 '18 at 6:18
@MichaelRybkin What is the subject? "By restating these rumors"? "it" refers to "By restating these rumors"?
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:44
@MichaelRybkin Because I feet it a real Chinese what was translated to English.
– Zhang
Nov 23 '18 at 6:46
Will it be easier for you to understand if it's paraphrased as: By restating these rumors, they are guiding the public opinion, trying to influence people’s voting. ? The structure "It's...who..." is used for the emphasis purpose. Here it emphasized 'they',( not someone else) who are doing those things.
– dan
Nov 23 '18 at 7:52
the linked article reads quite tersely, it doesn't flow. The sentence you mention is fine
– Vorsprung
Nov 23 '18 at 8:35