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I used the root test for the series
$$
sum_{n=1}^{infty} left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^n.
$$

I showed that
$$
0 le left|frac{cos(n)}{2}right| le frac{1}{2} implies lim_{ntoinfty}left|frac{cos(n)}{2}right| le frac{1}{2} < 1.
$$

By the root test, the series converges absolutely. My professor told me that the flaw here is that the limit above does not exist. I agree the limit does not exist because $lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvert$ oscillates between $0$ and $frac{1}{2}$. However, I fail to see why my argument does not work here. She suggested that I use the comparison test and compare the series with $sum_{n=1}^{infty} left(frac{1}{2}right)^n$. By the comparison test, the original series converges absolutely. Is it a coincidence that the "pseudo" root test I used yielded the same answer as the comparison test? Can we say that if $lvert a_nrvert^{frac{1}{n}}<1$, then $sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ converges absolutely?
I appreciate any help on this.










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    If you had said that $limsuplimits_{ntoinfty}left|,frac{cos(n)}2,right|lefrac12$, then your statement would be correct, as $limsup$ always exists (though it might be infinite).
    – robjohn
    Nov 17 at 14:41










  • Thank you. I do not know what lim sup is, and I am reading about it now. I am in my second semester of calculus.
    – Htamstudent
    Nov 17 at 18:31










  • $limsup$ and $liminf$ always exist (though each might be infinite). If they are equal, the $lim$ exists; if they are not equal, the $lim$ doesn't exist.
    – robjohn
    Nov 17 at 18:50

















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I used the root test for the series
$$
sum_{n=1}^{infty} left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^n.
$$

I showed that
$$
0 le left|frac{cos(n)}{2}right| le frac{1}{2} implies lim_{ntoinfty}left|frac{cos(n)}{2}right| le frac{1}{2} < 1.
$$

By the root test, the series converges absolutely. My professor told me that the flaw here is that the limit above does not exist. I agree the limit does not exist because $lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvert$ oscillates between $0$ and $frac{1}{2}$. However, I fail to see why my argument does not work here. She suggested that I use the comparison test and compare the series with $sum_{n=1}^{infty} left(frac{1}{2}right)^n$. By the comparison test, the original series converges absolutely. Is it a coincidence that the "pseudo" root test I used yielded the same answer as the comparison test? Can we say that if $lvert a_nrvert^{frac{1}{n}}<1$, then $sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ converges absolutely?
I appreciate any help on this.










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    If you had said that $limsuplimits_{ntoinfty}left|,frac{cos(n)}2,right|lefrac12$, then your statement would be correct, as $limsup$ always exists (though it might be infinite).
    – robjohn
    Nov 17 at 14:41










  • Thank you. I do not know what lim sup is, and I am reading about it now. I am in my second semester of calculus.
    – Htamstudent
    Nov 17 at 18:31










  • $limsup$ and $liminf$ always exist (though each might be infinite). If they are equal, the $lim$ exists; if they are not equal, the $lim$ doesn't exist.
    – robjohn
    Nov 17 at 18:50















up vote
7
down vote

favorite









up vote
7
down vote

favorite











I used the root test for the series
$$
sum_{n=1}^{infty} left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^n.
$$

I showed that
$$
0 le left|frac{cos(n)}{2}right| le frac{1}{2} implies lim_{ntoinfty}left|frac{cos(n)}{2}right| le frac{1}{2} < 1.
$$

By the root test, the series converges absolutely. My professor told me that the flaw here is that the limit above does not exist. I agree the limit does not exist because $lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvert$ oscillates between $0$ and $frac{1}{2}$. However, I fail to see why my argument does not work here. She suggested that I use the comparison test and compare the series with $sum_{n=1}^{infty} left(frac{1}{2}right)^n$. By the comparison test, the original series converges absolutely. Is it a coincidence that the "pseudo" root test I used yielded the same answer as the comparison test? Can we say that if $lvert a_nrvert^{frac{1}{n}}<1$, then $sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ converges absolutely?
I appreciate any help on this.










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I used the root test for the series
$$
sum_{n=1}^{infty} left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^n.
$$

I showed that
$$
0 le left|frac{cos(n)}{2}right| le frac{1}{2} implies lim_{ntoinfty}left|frac{cos(n)}{2}right| le frac{1}{2} < 1.
$$

By the root test, the series converges absolutely. My professor told me that the flaw here is that the limit above does not exist. I agree the limit does not exist because $lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvert$ oscillates between $0$ and $frac{1}{2}$. However, I fail to see why my argument does not work here. She suggested that I use the comparison test and compare the series with $sum_{n=1}^{infty} left(frac{1}{2}right)^n$. By the comparison test, the original series converges absolutely. Is it a coincidence that the "pseudo" root test I used yielded the same answer as the comparison test? Can we say that if $lvert a_nrvert^{frac{1}{n}}<1$, then $sum_{n=1}^{infty} a_n$ converges absolutely?
I appreciate any help on this.







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    If you had said that $limsuplimits_{ntoinfty}left|,frac{cos(n)}2,right|lefrac12$, then your statement would be correct, as $limsup$ always exists (though it might be infinite).
    – robjohn
    Nov 17 at 14:41










  • Thank you. I do not know what lim sup is, and I am reading about it now. I am in my second semester of calculus.
    – Htamstudent
    Nov 17 at 18:31










  • $limsup$ and $liminf$ always exist (though each might be infinite). If they are equal, the $lim$ exists; if they are not equal, the $lim$ doesn't exist.
    – robjohn
    Nov 17 at 18:50
















  • 3




    If you had said that $limsuplimits_{ntoinfty}left|,frac{cos(n)}2,right|lefrac12$, then your statement would be correct, as $limsup$ always exists (though it might be infinite).
    – robjohn
    Nov 17 at 14:41










  • Thank you. I do not know what lim sup is, and I am reading about it now. I am in my second semester of calculus.
    – Htamstudent
    Nov 17 at 18:31










  • $limsup$ and $liminf$ always exist (though each might be infinite). If they are equal, the $lim$ exists; if they are not equal, the $lim$ doesn't exist.
    – robjohn
    Nov 17 at 18:50










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If you had said that $limsuplimits_{ntoinfty}left|,frac{cos(n)}2,right|lefrac12$, then your statement would be correct, as $limsup$ always exists (though it might be infinite).
– robjohn
Nov 17 at 14:41




If you had said that $limsuplimits_{ntoinfty}left|,frac{cos(n)}2,right|lefrac12$, then your statement would be correct, as $limsup$ always exists (though it might be infinite).
– robjohn
Nov 17 at 14:41












Thank you. I do not know what lim sup is, and I am reading about it now. I am in my second semester of calculus.
– Htamstudent
Nov 17 at 18:31




Thank you. I do not know what lim sup is, and I am reading about it now. I am in my second semester of calculus.
– Htamstudent
Nov 17 at 18:31












$limsup$ and $liminf$ always exist (though each might be infinite). If they are equal, the $lim$ exists; if they are not equal, the $lim$ doesn't exist.
– robjohn
Nov 17 at 18:50






$limsup$ and $liminf$ always exist (though each might be infinite). If they are equal, the $lim$ exists; if they are not equal, the $lim$ doesn't exist.
– robjohn
Nov 17 at 18:50












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We have that



$$ left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|le frac1{2^n}$$



and $sum frac1{2^n}$ is a convergent geometric series, we don't need root test here.



Anyway we can also apply root test to the original series in the general form by limsup definition



$$limsup_{nrightarrowinfty}sqrt[n]{left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|}=Lle frac12$$



and conclude that the series converges.






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    The root test can be used without the sequence having a limit. Precisely,




    if there exist $N$ and $c<1$ with $sqrt[n]{|a_n|}le c$ for all $n>N$, then the series $sum_{n=0}^infty a_n$ is absolutely convergent.




    Indeed, in this case one can directly compare the series with a convergent geometric series. When $lim_{ntoinfty}sqrt[n]{|a_n|}=l$ exists and is $<1$, then the above criterion applies, because we can take $c=(l+1)/2$.



    If you had used the “extended criterion” rather than stating that $lim_{ntoinfty}lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvertle frac{1}{2}$, you would be right.






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    • Thank you. I just learned the extended criterion from you and robjohn today.
      – Htamstudent
      Nov 17 at 21:43











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    We have that



    $$ left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|le frac1{2^n}$$



    and $sum frac1{2^n}$ is a convergent geometric series, we don't need root test here.



    Anyway we can also apply root test to the original series in the general form by limsup definition



    $$limsup_{nrightarrowinfty}sqrt[n]{left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|}=Lle frac12$$



    and conclude that the series converges.






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      We have that



      $$ left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|le frac1{2^n}$$



      and $sum frac1{2^n}$ is a convergent geometric series, we don't need root test here.



      Anyway we can also apply root test to the original series in the general form by limsup definition



      $$limsup_{nrightarrowinfty}sqrt[n]{left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|}=Lle frac12$$



      and conclude that the series converges.






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        We have that



        $$ left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|le frac1{2^n}$$



        and $sum frac1{2^n}$ is a convergent geometric series, we don't need root test here.



        Anyway we can also apply root test to the original series in the general form by limsup definition



        $$limsup_{nrightarrowinfty}sqrt[n]{left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|}=Lle frac12$$



        and conclude that the series converges.






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        We have that



        $$ left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|le frac1{2^n}$$



        and $sum frac1{2^n}$ is a convergent geometric series, we don't need root test here.



        Anyway we can also apply root test to the original series in the general form by limsup definition



        $$limsup_{nrightarrowinfty}sqrt[n]{left|left(frac{cos n}{2}right)^nright|}=Lle frac12$$



        and conclude that the series converges.







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            The root test can be used without the sequence having a limit. Precisely,




            if there exist $N$ and $c<1$ with $sqrt[n]{|a_n|}le c$ for all $n>N$, then the series $sum_{n=0}^infty a_n$ is absolutely convergent.




            Indeed, in this case one can directly compare the series with a convergent geometric series. When $lim_{ntoinfty}sqrt[n]{|a_n|}=l$ exists and is $<1$, then the above criterion applies, because we can take $c=(l+1)/2$.



            If you had used the “extended criterion” rather than stating that $lim_{ntoinfty}lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvertle frac{1}{2}$, you would be right.






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            • Thank you. I just learned the extended criterion from you and robjohn today.
              – Htamstudent
              Nov 17 at 21:43















            up vote
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            The root test can be used without the sequence having a limit. Precisely,




            if there exist $N$ and $c<1$ with $sqrt[n]{|a_n|}le c$ for all $n>N$, then the series $sum_{n=0}^infty a_n$ is absolutely convergent.




            Indeed, in this case one can directly compare the series with a convergent geometric series. When $lim_{ntoinfty}sqrt[n]{|a_n|}=l$ exists and is $<1$, then the above criterion applies, because we can take $c=(l+1)/2$.



            If you had used the “extended criterion” rather than stating that $lim_{ntoinfty}lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvertle frac{1}{2}$, you would be right.






            share|cite|improve this answer





















            • Thank you. I just learned the extended criterion from you and robjohn today.
              – Htamstudent
              Nov 17 at 21:43













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            up vote
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            The root test can be used without the sequence having a limit. Precisely,




            if there exist $N$ and $c<1$ with $sqrt[n]{|a_n|}le c$ for all $n>N$, then the series $sum_{n=0}^infty a_n$ is absolutely convergent.




            Indeed, in this case one can directly compare the series with a convergent geometric series. When $lim_{ntoinfty}sqrt[n]{|a_n|}=l$ exists and is $<1$, then the above criterion applies, because we can take $c=(l+1)/2$.



            If you had used the “extended criterion” rather than stating that $lim_{ntoinfty}lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvertle frac{1}{2}$, you would be right.






            share|cite|improve this answer












            The root test can be used without the sequence having a limit. Precisely,




            if there exist $N$ and $c<1$ with $sqrt[n]{|a_n|}le c$ for all $n>N$, then the series $sum_{n=0}^infty a_n$ is absolutely convergent.




            Indeed, in this case one can directly compare the series with a convergent geometric series. When $lim_{ntoinfty}sqrt[n]{|a_n|}=l$ exists and is $<1$, then the above criterion applies, because we can take $c=(l+1)/2$.



            If you had used the “extended criterion” rather than stating that $lim_{ntoinfty}lvertfrac{cos n}{2}rvertle frac{1}{2}$, you would be right.







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            • Thank you. I just learned the extended criterion from you and robjohn today.
              – Htamstudent
              Nov 17 at 21:43


















            • Thank you. I just learned the extended criterion from you and robjohn today.
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              Nov 17 at 21:43
















            Thank you. I just learned the extended criterion from you and robjohn today.
            – Htamstudent
            Nov 17 at 21:43




            Thank you. I just learned the extended criterion from you and robjohn today.
            – Htamstudent
            Nov 17 at 21:43


















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