What could a High Earth Orbit be used for in practice?
I was perusing wikipedia and saw this awesome infographic:
Original location of infograhpic: Wikipedia
Then it hit me, in all the time I've been browsing space articles and such...
I've never heard of any artificial satellite in a High Earth Orbit.
There are 2 satellites in HEO as of right now...
I love being wrong many, many times... There's 15 according to @CoAstroGeek
My questions are:
- Is this type of orbit just not very useful, or is it just hard to get above 35,000KM above the earths surface in a stable, circular orbit?
- Is it a 'more work than its worth' type of situation?
Specifically, I'm not asking about interstellar staging, etc... kind of want this question focused on current-day technology and what's already there or what's planned to be there. Also, to clarify, I'm talking about significantly beyond GEO/GSO, I want to know what uses an HEO could be used for. Most articles that I find touch heavily on GEO/GSO and state it as the boundary for HEO, but don't talk about HEO.
Upon researching a bit more I've found 2 satellites that fit this bill:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_(satellite)
- Launched very early on (1967).
- 1/3 the distance to the moon.
- In a near-circular, low eccentricity orbit.
- Probably not the best example for a satellite requiring HEO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_Boundary_Explorer
- Launched October 2008.
- Possibly a better example of a satellite requiring HEO.
- I would love extrapolation on why this satellite functions better in HEO.
Though the pages don't really state how HEO is required for these to function to any degree.
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I was perusing wikipedia and saw this awesome infographic:
Original location of infograhpic: Wikipedia
Then it hit me, in all the time I've been browsing space articles and such...
I've never heard of any artificial satellite in a High Earth Orbit.
There are 2 satellites in HEO as of right now...
I love being wrong many, many times... There's 15 according to @CoAstroGeek
My questions are:
- Is this type of orbit just not very useful, or is it just hard to get above 35,000KM above the earths surface in a stable, circular orbit?
- Is it a 'more work than its worth' type of situation?
Specifically, I'm not asking about interstellar staging, etc... kind of want this question focused on current-day technology and what's already there or what's planned to be there. Also, to clarify, I'm talking about significantly beyond GEO/GSO, I want to know what uses an HEO could be used for. Most articles that I find touch heavily on GEO/GSO and state it as the boundary for HEO, but don't talk about HEO.
Upon researching a bit more I've found 2 satellites that fit this bill:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_(satellite)
- Launched very early on (1967).
- 1/3 the distance to the moon.
- In a near-circular, low eccentricity orbit.
- Probably not the best example for a satellite requiring HEO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_Boundary_Explorer
- Launched October 2008.
- Possibly a better example of a satellite requiring HEO.
- I would love extrapolation on why this satellite functions better in HEO.
Though the pages don't really state how HEO is required for these to function to any degree.
orbital-mechanics orbit high-earth-orbit
add a comment |
I was perusing wikipedia and saw this awesome infographic:
Original location of infograhpic: Wikipedia
Then it hit me, in all the time I've been browsing space articles and such...
I've never heard of any artificial satellite in a High Earth Orbit.
There are 2 satellites in HEO as of right now...
I love being wrong many, many times... There's 15 according to @CoAstroGeek
My questions are:
- Is this type of orbit just not very useful, or is it just hard to get above 35,000KM above the earths surface in a stable, circular orbit?
- Is it a 'more work than its worth' type of situation?
Specifically, I'm not asking about interstellar staging, etc... kind of want this question focused on current-day technology and what's already there or what's planned to be there. Also, to clarify, I'm talking about significantly beyond GEO/GSO, I want to know what uses an HEO could be used for. Most articles that I find touch heavily on GEO/GSO and state it as the boundary for HEO, but don't talk about HEO.
Upon researching a bit more I've found 2 satellites that fit this bill:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_(satellite)
- Launched very early on (1967).
- 1/3 the distance to the moon.
- In a near-circular, low eccentricity orbit.
- Probably not the best example for a satellite requiring HEO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_Boundary_Explorer
- Launched October 2008.
- Possibly a better example of a satellite requiring HEO.
- I would love extrapolation on why this satellite functions better in HEO.
Though the pages don't really state how HEO is required for these to function to any degree.
orbital-mechanics orbit high-earth-orbit
I was perusing wikipedia and saw this awesome infographic:
Original location of infograhpic: Wikipedia
Then it hit me, in all the time I've been browsing space articles and such...
I've never heard of any artificial satellite in a High Earth Orbit.
There are 2 satellites in HEO as of right now...
I love being wrong many, many times... There's 15 according to @CoAstroGeek
My questions are:
- Is this type of orbit just not very useful, or is it just hard to get above 35,000KM above the earths surface in a stable, circular orbit?
- Is it a 'more work than its worth' type of situation?
Specifically, I'm not asking about interstellar staging, etc... kind of want this question focused on current-day technology and what's already there or what's planned to be there. Also, to clarify, I'm talking about significantly beyond GEO/GSO, I want to know what uses an HEO could be used for. Most articles that I find touch heavily on GEO/GSO and state it as the boundary for HEO, but don't talk about HEO.
Upon researching a bit more I've found 2 satellites that fit this bill:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_(satellite)
- Launched very early on (1967).
- 1/3 the distance to the moon.
- In a near-circular, low eccentricity orbit.
- Probably not the best example for a satellite requiring HEO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_Boundary_Explorer
- Launched October 2008.
- Possibly a better example of a satellite requiring HEO.
- I would love extrapolation on why this satellite functions better in HEO.
Though the pages don't really state how HEO is required for these to function to any degree.
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There are a few other VELA and Explorer satellites, 2 SOLRAD missions and the Japanese GEOTAIL mission from 1992:
| CatalogNum | SatName | IntlDes | Country | Launch | Site | Inclination | Apogee | Perigee | Period |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
| 2258 | EXPLORER 33 (AIMP-D) | 1966-058A | US | 1966-07-01 | AFETR | 24.14 | 480762 | 265679 | 38792.4 |
| 6197 | EXPLORER 47 (IMP-7) | 1972-073A | US | 1972-09-23 | AFETR | 13.97 | 232222 | 204011 | 17642.9 |
| 6893 | EXPLORER 50 (IMP-8) | 1973-078A | US | 1973-10-26 | AFETR | 50.55 | 253706 | 181001 | 17553 |
| 8748 | SOLRAD 11A | 1976-023C | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119054 | 117941 | 7319.39 |
| 8749 | SOLRAD 11B | 1976-023D | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119521 | 117905 | 7338.38 |
| 2766 | OPS 6679 (VELA 8) | 1967-040B | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 37.17 | 123849 | 99054 | 6708.75 |
| 3955 | OPS 6911 (VELA 10) | 1969-046E | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 61.05 | 150634 | 72080 | 6700.68 |
| 1459 | OPS 6564 (VELA 6) | 1965-058B | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 13.12 | 167834 | 55198 | 6714.3 |
| 2765 | OPS 6638 (VELA 7) | 1967-040A | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 9.58 | 167787 | 55166 | 6710.88 |
| 1458 | OPS 6577 (VELA 5) | 1965-058A | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 22.61 | 171865 | 51411 | 6724.69 |
| 22049 | GEOTAIL | 1992-044A | JPN | 1992-07-24 | AFETR | 12.19 | 190602 | 50635 | 7506.67 |
| 836 | OPS 3662 (VELA 3) | 1964-040A | US | 1964-07-17 | AFETR | 75.71 | 161013 | 45586 | 6024.72 |
| 3954 | OPS 6909 (VELA 9) | 1969-046D | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 51.79 | 178487 | 44067 | 6693.89 |
| 33401 | IBEX | 2008-051A | US | 2008-10-19 | WRAS | 30.22 | 333432 | 43051 | 14240.9 |
| 674 | VELA 2 | 1963-039A | US | 1963-10-17 | AFETR | 26.69 | 177085 | 40568 | 6485.83 |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
Be careful in using the acronym HEO - in some communities this means Highly Eccentric Orbit
wow, thanks for the additional research materials. Also, I've changed the title a bit ago as I made the same realization that it's a double-edge-acronym :).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:17
There are a few rocket bodies up there also that I stripped out of the results.
– CoAstroGeek
Nov 30 at 21:33
Aren't all those orbits in the Van Allen Belt (problematic unless studying the radiation)?
– amI
Dec 1 at 5:56
Units would be good on that. Are those distances km? The times in seconds? Because 38.7 ks seems awfully short for the orbit with semi-major axis around 370 000 km. That's comparable to the Moon, and its orbital period (the sidereal month) is about 2.4 Ms, or 2400 ks.
– The_Sympathizer
Dec 1 at 5:57
Ignore my comment -- I misread the magnitudes.
– amI
Dec 1 at 6:01
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Borrowed from this answer to the question What artificial satellite has the farthest orbit around the Earth?. You can read more about their orbits in that answer.
I found the following "far out" spacecraft:
TESS (Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite) recently launched, not in final orbit yet
- Spektr-R
IBEX or Interstellar Boundary Explorer
- Geotail
Here are there IDs:
name SMA ID
-------- ----- ---------
TESS 43435 2018-038A
Spektr-R 37755 2011-037A
IBEX 33401 2008-051A
Geotail 22049 1992-044A
Here is a quick breakdown of these four "highest of the highs" candidates. There are going to be others as well. It's a diverse group of reasons, there is not going to be one single reason beyond getting far from Earth.
TESS
TESS needs to be far from the Earth most of the time to keep the Earth "out of the picture". From Wikipedia:
In order to obtain unobstructed imagery of both the northern and southern hemispheres of the sky, TESS will utilize a 2:1 lunar resonant orbit called P/2, an orbit that has never been used before (although IBEX uses a similar P/3 orbit)
IBEX
From Wikipedia:
This very high orbit allows the IBEX satellite to move out of the Earth's magnetosphere when making scientific observations. This extreme altitude is critical due to the amount of charged-particle interference that would occur while taking measurements within the magnetosphere. When within the magnetosphere of the Earth (70,000 km or 43,000 mi), the satellite also performs other functions, including telemetry downlinks.
Geotail
From Wikipedia:
The primary purpose of this mission is to study the structure and dynamics of the tail region of the magnetosphere with a comprehensive set of scientific instruments. For this purpose, the orbit has been designed to cover the magnetotail over a wide range of distances: 8 R⊕ to 210 R⊕ from the earth. This orbit also allows us to study the boundary region of the magnetosphere as it skims the magnetopause at perigees. In the first two years the double lunar swing-by technique was used to keep apogees in the distant magnetotail. The apogee was lowered down to 50 R⊕ in mid November 1994 and then to 30 R⊕ in February 1995 in order to study substorm processes in the near-Earth tail region. The present orbit is 9 R⊕ × 30 R⊕ with inclination of -7° to the ecliptic plane."
Spektr-R
From Wikipedia:
Spektr-R's orbit allows it to get as far from Earth as possible in order to produce a long baseline for Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI)
Spektr-R[6] (or RadioAstron) is a Russian scientific satellite with a 10 m (33 ft) radio telescope on board. It was launched on 18 July 2011,[7] by Zenit-3F launcher, from Baikonur Cosmodrome to perform research on the structure and dynamics of radio sources within and beyond our galaxy. Together with some of the largest ground-based radio telescopes, this telescope forms interferometric baselines extending up to 350,000 km (220,000 mi).
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One of the biggest ones is TESS, which is using a specific orbit to avoid gravitational interactions with the moon to observe deep space, specifically to look for planets. A few other things that can be done are observing the magnetic field of the Earth, which can be from a very high distance. They could be used to get a fuller picture of the Earth for events that don't require high resolution, such as monitoring nuclear weapons testing.
Also, just a side-note, I figured TESS didn't put itself into the final orbit it was in. It used a lunar assist as seen in this graphic. So I'm guessing the delta V would be rather large without an assist. Answered most of my questions on my own with that picture and the Wiki page. Thanks for telling me about TESS, this is extremely cool.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:38
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TESS' orbit is in 2:1 resonance with the Moon. It doesn't "avoid gravitational interactions with the moon" so much as it makes peace with them so that it's orbit remains fairly stable/repeatable over the lifetime of the mission.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:25
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You could go visit the various Earth-Moon Lagrange points.
To my shame, I'm not actually sure to what extent these even count as "Earth orbits", but I'm confident someone around here will shed some light on the topic.
– Roger
Nov 30 at 20:31
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That's technically a halo orbit around a lagrangian then, doesn't really fit High Earth Orbit, does it? (Genuine question) Haha, nice comment, exactly what I was going to say too, but I'm not an expert. I did forget those though, that's technically... I don't know, interesting addition. Added a picture for newer users to understand too. An orbit around L1 might fit the bill (unsure).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:32
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@MagicOctopusUrn this is just a red circle with an arrow, drawn on a diagram, not a possible orbit. The frame of the drawing is already rotating. Halo orbits in the Earth-Moon system are orbits around the Earth, influenced by the Moon. When we draw them in rotating frames they look like they orbit around Lagrange points, but if you allow the frame to rotate, they are just wiggly orbits around earth. I think a halo orbit in the Earth-Moon system could be argued to be a kind of high Earth orbit, but HEO is just an arbitrary term so one could argue either way.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:33
@uhoh I'm thinking the red circle was intended to show the moons orbit.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Dec 3 at 13:50
@MagicOctopusUrn that diagram only exists in a rotating frame, the moon "stays put" in that diagram. Those contour lines already contain the pseudopotential based on the pseudo-force called centrifugal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… So it doesn't make sense to draw an orbit on top of that diagram.
– uhoh
Dec 3 at 14:06
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There are a few other VELA and Explorer satellites, 2 SOLRAD missions and the Japanese GEOTAIL mission from 1992:
| CatalogNum | SatName | IntlDes | Country | Launch | Site | Inclination | Apogee | Perigee | Period |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
| 2258 | EXPLORER 33 (AIMP-D) | 1966-058A | US | 1966-07-01 | AFETR | 24.14 | 480762 | 265679 | 38792.4 |
| 6197 | EXPLORER 47 (IMP-7) | 1972-073A | US | 1972-09-23 | AFETR | 13.97 | 232222 | 204011 | 17642.9 |
| 6893 | EXPLORER 50 (IMP-8) | 1973-078A | US | 1973-10-26 | AFETR | 50.55 | 253706 | 181001 | 17553 |
| 8748 | SOLRAD 11A | 1976-023C | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119054 | 117941 | 7319.39 |
| 8749 | SOLRAD 11B | 1976-023D | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119521 | 117905 | 7338.38 |
| 2766 | OPS 6679 (VELA 8) | 1967-040B | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 37.17 | 123849 | 99054 | 6708.75 |
| 3955 | OPS 6911 (VELA 10) | 1969-046E | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 61.05 | 150634 | 72080 | 6700.68 |
| 1459 | OPS 6564 (VELA 6) | 1965-058B | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 13.12 | 167834 | 55198 | 6714.3 |
| 2765 | OPS 6638 (VELA 7) | 1967-040A | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 9.58 | 167787 | 55166 | 6710.88 |
| 1458 | OPS 6577 (VELA 5) | 1965-058A | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 22.61 | 171865 | 51411 | 6724.69 |
| 22049 | GEOTAIL | 1992-044A | JPN | 1992-07-24 | AFETR | 12.19 | 190602 | 50635 | 7506.67 |
| 836 | OPS 3662 (VELA 3) | 1964-040A | US | 1964-07-17 | AFETR | 75.71 | 161013 | 45586 | 6024.72 |
| 3954 | OPS 6909 (VELA 9) | 1969-046D | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 51.79 | 178487 | 44067 | 6693.89 |
| 33401 | IBEX | 2008-051A | US | 2008-10-19 | WRAS | 30.22 | 333432 | 43051 | 14240.9 |
| 674 | VELA 2 | 1963-039A | US | 1963-10-17 | AFETR | 26.69 | 177085 | 40568 | 6485.83 |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
Be careful in using the acronym HEO - in some communities this means Highly Eccentric Orbit
wow, thanks for the additional research materials. Also, I've changed the title a bit ago as I made the same realization that it's a double-edge-acronym :).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:17
There are a few rocket bodies up there also that I stripped out of the results.
– CoAstroGeek
Nov 30 at 21:33
Aren't all those orbits in the Van Allen Belt (problematic unless studying the radiation)?
– amI
Dec 1 at 5:56
Units would be good on that. Are those distances km? The times in seconds? Because 38.7 ks seems awfully short for the orbit with semi-major axis around 370 000 km. That's comparable to the Moon, and its orbital period (the sidereal month) is about 2.4 Ms, or 2400 ks.
– The_Sympathizer
Dec 1 at 5:57
Ignore my comment -- I misread the magnitudes.
– amI
Dec 1 at 6:01
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There are a few other VELA and Explorer satellites, 2 SOLRAD missions and the Japanese GEOTAIL mission from 1992:
| CatalogNum | SatName | IntlDes | Country | Launch | Site | Inclination | Apogee | Perigee | Period |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
| 2258 | EXPLORER 33 (AIMP-D) | 1966-058A | US | 1966-07-01 | AFETR | 24.14 | 480762 | 265679 | 38792.4 |
| 6197 | EXPLORER 47 (IMP-7) | 1972-073A | US | 1972-09-23 | AFETR | 13.97 | 232222 | 204011 | 17642.9 |
| 6893 | EXPLORER 50 (IMP-8) | 1973-078A | US | 1973-10-26 | AFETR | 50.55 | 253706 | 181001 | 17553 |
| 8748 | SOLRAD 11A | 1976-023C | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119054 | 117941 | 7319.39 |
| 8749 | SOLRAD 11B | 1976-023D | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119521 | 117905 | 7338.38 |
| 2766 | OPS 6679 (VELA 8) | 1967-040B | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 37.17 | 123849 | 99054 | 6708.75 |
| 3955 | OPS 6911 (VELA 10) | 1969-046E | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 61.05 | 150634 | 72080 | 6700.68 |
| 1459 | OPS 6564 (VELA 6) | 1965-058B | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 13.12 | 167834 | 55198 | 6714.3 |
| 2765 | OPS 6638 (VELA 7) | 1967-040A | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 9.58 | 167787 | 55166 | 6710.88 |
| 1458 | OPS 6577 (VELA 5) | 1965-058A | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 22.61 | 171865 | 51411 | 6724.69 |
| 22049 | GEOTAIL | 1992-044A | JPN | 1992-07-24 | AFETR | 12.19 | 190602 | 50635 | 7506.67 |
| 836 | OPS 3662 (VELA 3) | 1964-040A | US | 1964-07-17 | AFETR | 75.71 | 161013 | 45586 | 6024.72 |
| 3954 | OPS 6909 (VELA 9) | 1969-046D | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 51.79 | 178487 | 44067 | 6693.89 |
| 33401 | IBEX | 2008-051A | US | 2008-10-19 | WRAS | 30.22 | 333432 | 43051 | 14240.9 |
| 674 | VELA 2 | 1963-039A | US | 1963-10-17 | AFETR | 26.69 | 177085 | 40568 | 6485.83 |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
Be careful in using the acronym HEO - in some communities this means Highly Eccentric Orbit
wow, thanks for the additional research materials. Also, I've changed the title a bit ago as I made the same realization that it's a double-edge-acronym :).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:17
There are a few rocket bodies up there also that I stripped out of the results.
– CoAstroGeek
Nov 30 at 21:33
Aren't all those orbits in the Van Allen Belt (problematic unless studying the radiation)?
– amI
Dec 1 at 5:56
Units would be good on that. Are those distances km? The times in seconds? Because 38.7 ks seems awfully short for the orbit with semi-major axis around 370 000 km. That's comparable to the Moon, and its orbital period (the sidereal month) is about 2.4 Ms, or 2400 ks.
– The_Sympathizer
Dec 1 at 5:57
Ignore my comment -- I misread the magnitudes.
– amI
Dec 1 at 6:01
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There are a few other VELA and Explorer satellites, 2 SOLRAD missions and the Japanese GEOTAIL mission from 1992:
| CatalogNum | SatName | IntlDes | Country | Launch | Site | Inclination | Apogee | Perigee | Period |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
| 2258 | EXPLORER 33 (AIMP-D) | 1966-058A | US | 1966-07-01 | AFETR | 24.14 | 480762 | 265679 | 38792.4 |
| 6197 | EXPLORER 47 (IMP-7) | 1972-073A | US | 1972-09-23 | AFETR | 13.97 | 232222 | 204011 | 17642.9 |
| 6893 | EXPLORER 50 (IMP-8) | 1973-078A | US | 1973-10-26 | AFETR | 50.55 | 253706 | 181001 | 17553 |
| 8748 | SOLRAD 11A | 1976-023C | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119054 | 117941 | 7319.39 |
| 8749 | SOLRAD 11B | 1976-023D | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119521 | 117905 | 7338.38 |
| 2766 | OPS 6679 (VELA 8) | 1967-040B | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 37.17 | 123849 | 99054 | 6708.75 |
| 3955 | OPS 6911 (VELA 10) | 1969-046E | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 61.05 | 150634 | 72080 | 6700.68 |
| 1459 | OPS 6564 (VELA 6) | 1965-058B | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 13.12 | 167834 | 55198 | 6714.3 |
| 2765 | OPS 6638 (VELA 7) | 1967-040A | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 9.58 | 167787 | 55166 | 6710.88 |
| 1458 | OPS 6577 (VELA 5) | 1965-058A | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 22.61 | 171865 | 51411 | 6724.69 |
| 22049 | GEOTAIL | 1992-044A | JPN | 1992-07-24 | AFETR | 12.19 | 190602 | 50635 | 7506.67 |
| 836 | OPS 3662 (VELA 3) | 1964-040A | US | 1964-07-17 | AFETR | 75.71 | 161013 | 45586 | 6024.72 |
| 3954 | OPS 6909 (VELA 9) | 1969-046D | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 51.79 | 178487 | 44067 | 6693.89 |
| 33401 | IBEX | 2008-051A | US | 2008-10-19 | WRAS | 30.22 | 333432 | 43051 | 14240.9 |
| 674 | VELA 2 | 1963-039A | US | 1963-10-17 | AFETR | 26.69 | 177085 | 40568 | 6485.83 |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
Be careful in using the acronym HEO - in some communities this means Highly Eccentric Orbit
There are a few other VELA and Explorer satellites, 2 SOLRAD missions and the Japanese GEOTAIL mission from 1992:
| CatalogNum | SatName | IntlDes | Country | Launch | Site | Inclination | Apogee | Perigee | Period |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
| 2258 | EXPLORER 33 (AIMP-D) | 1966-058A | US | 1966-07-01 | AFETR | 24.14 | 480762 | 265679 | 38792.4 |
| 6197 | EXPLORER 47 (IMP-7) | 1972-073A | US | 1972-09-23 | AFETR | 13.97 | 232222 | 204011 | 17642.9 |
| 6893 | EXPLORER 50 (IMP-8) | 1973-078A | US | 1973-10-26 | AFETR | 50.55 | 253706 | 181001 | 17553 |
| 8748 | SOLRAD 11A | 1976-023C | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119054 | 117941 | 7319.39 |
| 8749 | SOLRAD 11B | 1976-023D | US | 1976-03-15 | AFETR | 27.33 | 119521 | 117905 | 7338.38 |
| 2766 | OPS 6679 (VELA 8) | 1967-040B | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 37.17 | 123849 | 99054 | 6708.75 |
| 3955 | OPS 6911 (VELA 10) | 1969-046E | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 61.05 | 150634 | 72080 | 6700.68 |
| 1459 | OPS 6564 (VELA 6) | 1965-058B | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 13.12 | 167834 | 55198 | 6714.3 |
| 2765 | OPS 6638 (VELA 7) | 1967-040A | US | 1967-04-28 | AFETR | 9.58 | 167787 | 55166 | 6710.88 |
| 1458 | OPS 6577 (VELA 5) | 1965-058A | US | 1965-07-20 | AFETR | 22.61 | 171865 | 51411 | 6724.69 |
| 22049 | GEOTAIL | 1992-044A | JPN | 1992-07-24 | AFETR | 12.19 | 190602 | 50635 | 7506.67 |
| 836 | OPS 3662 (VELA 3) | 1964-040A | US | 1964-07-17 | AFETR | 75.71 | 161013 | 45586 | 6024.72 |
| 3954 | OPS 6909 (VELA 9) | 1969-046D | US | 1969-05-23 | AFETR | 51.79 | 178487 | 44067 | 6693.89 |
| 33401 | IBEX | 2008-051A | US | 2008-10-19 | WRAS | 30.22 | 333432 | 43051 | 14240.9 |
| 674 | VELA 2 | 1963-039A | US | 1963-10-17 | AFETR | 26.69 | 177085 | 40568 | 6485.83 |
+------------+----------------------+-----------+---------+------------+-------+-------------+--------+---------+---------+
Be careful in using the acronym HEO - in some communities this means Highly Eccentric Orbit
answered Nov 30 at 19:50
CoAstroGeek
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wow, thanks for the additional research materials. Also, I've changed the title a bit ago as I made the same realization that it's a double-edge-acronym :).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:17
There are a few rocket bodies up there also that I stripped out of the results.
– CoAstroGeek
Nov 30 at 21:33
Aren't all those orbits in the Van Allen Belt (problematic unless studying the radiation)?
– amI
Dec 1 at 5:56
Units would be good on that. Are those distances km? The times in seconds? Because 38.7 ks seems awfully short for the orbit with semi-major axis around 370 000 km. That's comparable to the Moon, and its orbital period (the sidereal month) is about 2.4 Ms, or 2400 ks.
– The_Sympathizer
Dec 1 at 5:57
Ignore my comment -- I misread the magnitudes.
– amI
Dec 1 at 6:01
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wow, thanks for the additional research materials. Also, I've changed the title a bit ago as I made the same realization that it's a double-edge-acronym :).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:17
There are a few rocket bodies up there also that I stripped out of the results.
– CoAstroGeek
Nov 30 at 21:33
Aren't all those orbits in the Van Allen Belt (problematic unless studying the radiation)?
– amI
Dec 1 at 5:56
Units would be good on that. Are those distances km? The times in seconds? Because 38.7 ks seems awfully short for the orbit with semi-major axis around 370 000 km. That's comparable to the Moon, and its orbital period (the sidereal month) is about 2.4 Ms, or 2400 ks.
– The_Sympathizer
Dec 1 at 5:57
Ignore my comment -- I misread the magnitudes.
– amI
Dec 1 at 6:01
wow, thanks for the additional research materials. Also, I've changed the title a bit ago as I made the same realization that it's a double-edge-acronym :).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:17
wow, thanks for the additional research materials. Also, I've changed the title a bit ago as I made the same realization that it's a double-edge-acronym :).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:17
There are a few rocket bodies up there also that I stripped out of the results.
– CoAstroGeek
Nov 30 at 21:33
There are a few rocket bodies up there also that I stripped out of the results.
– CoAstroGeek
Nov 30 at 21:33
Aren't all those orbits in the Van Allen Belt (problematic unless studying the radiation)?
– amI
Dec 1 at 5:56
Aren't all those orbits in the Van Allen Belt (problematic unless studying the radiation)?
– amI
Dec 1 at 5:56
Units would be good on that. Are those distances km? The times in seconds? Because 38.7 ks seems awfully short for the orbit with semi-major axis around 370 000 km. That's comparable to the Moon, and its orbital period (the sidereal month) is about 2.4 Ms, or 2400 ks.
– The_Sympathizer
Dec 1 at 5:57
Units would be good on that. Are those distances km? The times in seconds? Because 38.7 ks seems awfully short for the orbit with semi-major axis around 370 000 km. That's comparable to the Moon, and its orbital period (the sidereal month) is about 2.4 Ms, or 2400 ks.
– The_Sympathizer
Dec 1 at 5:57
Ignore my comment -- I misread the magnitudes.
– amI
Dec 1 at 6:01
Ignore my comment -- I misread the magnitudes.
– amI
Dec 1 at 6:01
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Borrowed from this answer to the question What artificial satellite has the farthest orbit around the Earth?. You can read more about their orbits in that answer.
I found the following "far out" spacecraft:
TESS (Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite) recently launched, not in final orbit yet
- Spektr-R
IBEX or Interstellar Boundary Explorer
- Geotail
Here are there IDs:
name SMA ID
-------- ----- ---------
TESS 43435 2018-038A
Spektr-R 37755 2011-037A
IBEX 33401 2008-051A
Geotail 22049 1992-044A
Here is a quick breakdown of these four "highest of the highs" candidates. There are going to be others as well. It's a diverse group of reasons, there is not going to be one single reason beyond getting far from Earth.
TESS
TESS needs to be far from the Earth most of the time to keep the Earth "out of the picture". From Wikipedia:
In order to obtain unobstructed imagery of both the northern and southern hemispheres of the sky, TESS will utilize a 2:1 lunar resonant orbit called P/2, an orbit that has never been used before (although IBEX uses a similar P/3 orbit)
IBEX
From Wikipedia:
This very high orbit allows the IBEX satellite to move out of the Earth's magnetosphere when making scientific observations. This extreme altitude is critical due to the amount of charged-particle interference that would occur while taking measurements within the magnetosphere. When within the magnetosphere of the Earth (70,000 km or 43,000 mi), the satellite also performs other functions, including telemetry downlinks.
Geotail
From Wikipedia:
The primary purpose of this mission is to study the structure and dynamics of the tail region of the magnetosphere with a comprehensive set of scientific instruments. For this purpose, the orbit has been designed to cover the magnetotail over a wide range of distances: 8 R⊕ to 210 R⊕ from the earth. This orbit also allows us to study the boundary region of the magnetosphere as it skims the magnetopause at perigees. In the first two years the double lunar swing-by technique was used to keep apogees in the distant magnetotail. The apogee was lowered down to 50 R⊕ in mid November 1994 and then to 30 R⊕ in February 1995 in order to study substorm processes in the near-Earth tail region. The present orbit is 9 R⊕ × 30 R⊕ with inclination of -7° to the ecliptic plane."
Spektr-R
From Wikipedia:
Spektr-R's orbit allows it to get as far from Earth as possible in order to produce a long baseline for Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI)
Spektr-R[6] (or RadioAstron) is a Russian scientific satellite with a 10 m (33 ft) radio telescope on board. It was launched on 18 July 2011,[7] by Zenit-3F launcher, from Baikonur Cosmodrome to perform research on the structure and dynamics of radio sources within and beyond our galaxy. Together with some of the largest ground-based radio telescopes, this telescope forms interferometric baselines extending up to 350,000 km (220,000 mi).
add a comment |
Borrowed from this answer to the question What artificial satellite has the farthest orbit around the Earth?. You can read more about their orbits in that answer.
I found the following "far out" spacecraft:
TESS (Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite) recently launched, not in final orbit yet
- Spektr-R
IBEX or Interstellar Boundary Explorer
- Geotail
Here are there IDs:
name SMA ID
-------- ----- ---------
TESS 43435 2018-038A
Spektr-R 37755 2011-037A
IBEX 33401 2008-051A
Geotail 22049 1992-044A
Here is a quick breakdown of these four "highest of the highs" candidates. There are going to be others as well. It's a diverse group of reasons, there is not going to be one single reason beyond getting far from Earth.
TESS
TESS needs to be far from the Earth most of the time to keep the Earth "out of the picture". From Wikipedia:
In order to obtain unobstructed imagery of both the northern and southern hemispheres of the sky, TESS will utilize a 2:1 lunar resonant orbit called P/2, an orbit that has never been used before (although IBEX uses a similar P/3 orbit)
IBEX
From Wikipedia:
This very high orbit allows the IBEX satellite to move out of the Earth's magnetosphere when making scientific observations. This extreme altitude is critical due to the amount of charged-particle interference that would occur while taking measurements within the magnetosphere. When within the magnetosphere of the Earth (70,000 km or 43,000 mi), the satellite also performs other functions, including telemetry downlinks.
Geotail
From Wikipedia:
The primary purpose of this mission is to study the structure and dynamics of the tail region of the magnetosphere with a comprehensive set of scientific instruments. For this purpose, the orbit has been designed to cover the magnetotail over a wide range of distances: 8 R⊕ to 210 R⊕ from the earth. This orbit also allows us to study the boundary region of the magnetosphere as it skims the magnetopause at perigees. In the first two years the double lunar swing-by technique was used to keep apogees in the distant magnetotail. The apogee was lowered down to 50 R⊕ in mid November 1994 and then to 30 R⊕ in February 1995 in order to study substorm processes in the near-Earth tail region. The present orbit is 9 R⊕ × 30 R⊕ with inclination of -7° to the ecliptic plane."
Spektr-R
From Wikipedia:
Spektr-R's orbit allows it to get as far from Earth as possible in order to produce a long baseline for Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI)
Spektr-R[6] (or RadioAstron) is a Russian scientific satellite with a 10 m (33 ft) radio telescope on board. It was launched on 18 July 2011,[7] by Zenit-3F launcher, from Baikonur Cosmodrome to perform research on the structure and dynamics of radio sources within and beyond our galaxy. Together with some of the largest ground-based radio telescopes, this telescope forms interferometric baselines extending up to 350,000 km (220,000 mi).
add a comment |
Borrowed from this answer to the question What artificial satellite has the farthest orbit around the Earth?. You can read more about their orbits in that answer.
I found the following "far out" spacecraft:
TESS (Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite) recently launched, not in final orbit yet
- Spektr-R
IBEX or Interstellar Boundary Explorer
- Geotail
Here are there IDs:
name SMA ID
-------- ----- ---------
TESS 43435 2018-038A
Spektr-R 37755 2011-037A
IBEX 33401 2008-051A
Geotail 22049 1992-044A
Here is a quick breakdown of these four "highest of the highs" candidates. There are going to be others as well. It's a diverse group of reasons, there is not going to be one single reason beyond getting far from Earth.
TESS
TESS needs to be far from the Earth most of the time to keep the Earth "out of the picture". From Wikipedia:
In order to obtain unobstructed imagery of both the northern and southern hemispheres of the sky, TESS will utilize a 2:1 lunar resonant orbit called P/2, an orbit that has never been used before (although IBEX uses a similar P/3 orbit)
IBEX
From Wikipedia:
This very high orbit allows the IBEX satellite to move out of the Earth's magnetosphere when making scientific observations. This extreme altitude is critical due to the amount of charged-particle interference that would occur while taking measurements within the magnetosphere. When within the magnetosphere of the Earth (70,000 km or 43,000 mi), the satellite also performs other functions, including telemetry downlinks.
Geotail
From Wikipedia:
The primary purpose of this mission is to study the structure and dynamics of the tail region of the magnetosphere with a comprehensive set of scientific instruments. For this purpose, the orbit has been designed to cover the magnetotail over a wide range of distances: 8 R⊕ to 210 R⊕ from the earth. This orbit also allows us to study the boundary region of the magnetosphere as it skims the magnetopause at perigees. In the first two years the double lunar swing-by technique was used to keep apogees in the distant magnetotail. The apogee was lowered down to 50 R⊕ in mid November 1994 and then to 30 R⊕ in February 1995 in order to study substorm processes in the near-Earth tail region. The present orbit is 9 R⊕ × 30 R⊕ with inclination of -7° to the ecliptic plane."
Spektr-R
From Wikipedia:
Spektr-R's orbit allows it to get as far from Earth as possible in order to produce a long baseline for Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI)
Spektr-R[6] (or RadioAstron) is a Russian scientific satellite with a 10 m (33 ft) radio telescope on board. It was launched on 18 July 2011,[7] by Zenit-3F launcher, from Baikonur Cosmodrome to perform research on the structure and dynamics of radio sources within and beyond our galaxy. Together with some of the largest ground-based radio telescopes, this telescope forms interferometric baselines extending up to 350,000 km (220,000 mi).
Borrowed from this answer to the question What artificial satellite has the farthest orbit around the Earth?. You can read more about their orbits in that answer.
I found the following "far out" spacecraft:
TESS (Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite) recently launched, not in final orbit yet
- Spektr-R
IBEX or Interstellar Boundary Explorer
- Geotail
Here are there IDs:
name SMA ID
-------- ----- ---------
TESS 43435 2018-038A
Spektr-R 37755 2011-037A
IBEX 33401 2008-051A
Geotail 22049 1992-044A
Here is a quick breakdown of these four "highest of the highs" candidates. There are going to be others as well. It's a diverse group of reasons, there is not going to be one single reason beyond getting far from Earth.
TESS
TESS needs to be far from the Earth most of the time to keep the Earth "out of the picture". From Wikipedia:
In order to obtain unobstructed imagery of both the northern and southern hemispheres of the sky, TESS will utilize a 2:1 lunar resonant orbit called P/2, an orbit that has never been used before (although IBEX uses a similar P/3 orbit)
IBEX
From Wikipedia:
This very high orbit allows the IBEX satellite to move out of the Earth's magnetosphere when making scientific observations. This extreme altitude is critical due to the amount of charged-particle interference that would occur while taking measurements within the magnetosphere. When within the magnetosphere of the Earth (70,000 km or 43,000 mi), the satellite also performs other functions, including telemetry downlinks.
Geotail
From Wikipedia:
The primary purpose of this mission is to study the structure and dynamics of the tail region of the magnetosphere with a comprehensive set of scientific instruments. For this purpose, the orbit has been designed to cover the magnetotail over a wide range of distances: 8 R⊕ to 210 R⊕ from the earth. This orbit also allows us to study the boundary region of the magnetosphere as it skims the magnetopause at perigees. In the first two years the double lunar swing-by technique was used to keep apogees in the distant magnetotail. The apogee was lowered down to 50 R⊕ in mid November 1994 and then to 30 R⊕ in February 1995 in order to study substorm processes in the near-Earth tail region. The present orbit is 9 R⊕ × 30 R⊕ with inclination of -7° to the ecliptic plane."
Spektr-R
From Wikipedia:
Spektr-R's orbit allows it to get as far from Earth as possible in order to produce a long baseline for Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI)
Spektr-R[6] (or RadioAstron) is a Russian scientific satellite with a 10 m (33 ft) radio telescope on board. It was launched on 18 July 2011,[7] by Zenit-3F launcher, from Baikonur Cosmodrome to perform research on the structure and dynamics of radio sources within and beyond our galaxy. Together with some of the largest ground-based radio telescopes, this telescope forms interferometric baselines extending up to 350,000 km (220,000 mi).
answered Nov 30 at 23:47
uhoh
34.7k17119431
34.7k17119431
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One of the biggest ones is TESS, which is using a specific orbit to avoid gravitational interactions with the moon to observe deep space, specifically to look for planets. A few other things that can be done are observing the magnetic field of the Earth, which can be from a very high distance. They could be used to get a fuller picture of the Earth for events that don't require high resolution, such as monitoring nuclear weapons testing.
Also, just a side-note, I figured TESS didn't put itself into the final orbit it was in. It used a lunar assist as seen in this graphic. So I'm guessing the delta V would be rather large without an assist. Answered most of my questions on my own with that picture and the Wiki page. Thanks for telling me about TESS, this is extremely cool.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:38
6
TESS' orbit is in 2:1 resonance with the Moon. It doesn't "avoid gravitational interactions with the moon" so much as it makes peace with them so that it's orbit remains fairly stable/repeatable over the lifetime of the mission.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:25
add a comment |
One of the biggest ones is TESS, which is using a specific orbit to avoid gravitational interactions with the moon to observe deep space, specifically to look for planets. A few other things that can be done are observing the magnetic field of the Earth, which can be from a very high distance. They could be used to get a fuller picture of the Earth for events that don't require high resolution, such as monitoring nuclear weapons testing.
Also, just a side-note, I figured TESS didn't put itself into the final orbit it was in. It used a lunar assist as seen in this graphic. So I'm guessing the delta V would be rather large without an assist. Answered most of my questions on my own with that picture and the Wiki page. Thanks for telling me about TESS, this is extremely cool.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:38
6
TESS' orbit is in 2:1 resonance with the Moon. It doesn't "avoid gravitational interactions with the moon" so much as it makes peace with them so that it's orbit remains fairly stable/repeatable over the lifetime of the mission.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:25
add a comment |
One of the biggest ones is TESS, which is using a specific orbit to avoid gravitational interactions with the moon to observe deep space, specifically to look for planets. A few other things that can be done are observing the magnetic field of the Earth, which can be from a very high distance. They could be used to get a fuller picture of the Earth for events that don't require high resolution, such as monitoring nuclear weapons testing.
One of the biggest ones is TESS, which is using a specific orbit to avoid gravitational interactions with the moon to observe deep space, specifically to look for planets. A few other things that can be done are observing the magnetic field of the Earth, which can be from a very high distance. They could be used to get a fuller picture of the Earth for events that don't require high resolution, such as monitoring nuclear weapons testing.
edited Nov 30 at 21:16
answered Nov 30 at 20:07
PearsonArtPhoto♦
79.5k16228436
79.5k16228436
Also, just a side-note, I figured TESS didn't put itself into the final orbit it was in. It used a lunar assist as seen in this graphic. So I'm guessing the delta V would be rather large without an assist. Answered most of my questions on my own with that picture and the Wiki page. Thanks for telling me about TESS, this is extremely cool.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:38
6
TESS' orbit is in 2:1 resonance with the Moon. It doesn't "avoid gravitational interactions with the moon" so much as it makes peace with them so that it's orbit remains fairly stable/repeatable over the lifetime of the mission.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:25
add a comment |
Also, just a side-note, I figured TESS didn't put itself into the final orbit it was in. It used a lunar assist as seen in this graphic. So I'm guessing the delta V would be rather large without an assist. Answered most of my questions on my own with that picture and the Wiki page. Thanks for telling me about TESS, this is extremely cool.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:38
6
TESS' orbit is in 2:1 resonance with the Moon. It doesn't "avoid gravitational interactions with the moon" so much as it makes peace with them so that it's orbit remains fairly stable/repeatable over the lifetime of the mission.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:25
Also, just a side-note, I figured TESS didn't put itself into the final orbit it was in. It used a lunar assist as seen in this graphic. So I'm guessing the delta V would be rather large without an assist. Answered most of my questions on my own with that picture and the Wiki page. Thanks for telling me about TESS, this is extremely cool.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:38
Also, just a side-note, I figured TESS didn't put itself into the final orbit it was in. It used a lunar assist as seen in this graphic. So I'm guessing the delta V would be rather large without an assist. Answered most of my questions on my own with that picture and the Wiki page. Thanks for telling me about TESS, this is extremely cool.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:38
6
6
TESS' orbit is in 2:1 resonance with the Moon. It doesn't "avoid gravitational interactions with the moon" so much as it makes peace with them so that it's orbit remains fairly stable/repeatable over the lifetime of the mission.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:25
TESS' orbit is in 2:1 resonance with the Moon. It doesn't "avoid gravitational interactions with the moon" so much as it makes peace with them so that it's orbit remains fairly stable/repeatable over the lifetime of the mission.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:25
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You could go visit the various Earth-Moon Lagrange points.
To my shame, I'm not actually sure to what extent these even count as "Earth orbits", but I'm confident someone around here will shed some light on the topic.
– Roger
Nov 30 at 20:31
1
That's technically a halo orbit around a lagrangian then, doesn't really fit High Earth Orbit, does it? (Genuine question) Haha, nice comment, exactly what I was going to say too, but I'm not an expert. I did forget those though, that's technically... I don't know, interesting addition. Added a picture for newer users to understand too. An orbit around L1 might fit the bill (unsure).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:32
2
@MagicOctopusUrn this is just a red circle with an arrow, drawn on a diagram, not a possible orbit. The frame of the drawing is already rotating. Halo orbits in the Earth-Moon system are orbits around the Earth, influenced by the Moon. When we draw them in rotating frames they look like they orbit around Lagrange points, but if you allow the frame to rotate, they are just wiggly orbits around earth. I think a halo orbit in the Earth-Moon system could be argued to be a kind of high Earth orbit, but HEO is just an arbitrary term so one could argue either way.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:33
@uhoh I'm thinking the red circle was intended to show the moons orbit.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Dec 3 at 13:50
@MagicOctopusUrn that diagram only exists in a rotating frame, the moon "stays put" in that diagram. Those contour lines already contain the pseudopotential based on the pseudo-force called centrifugal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… So it doesn't make sense to draw an orbit on top of that diagram.
– uhoh
Dec 3 at 14:06
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You could go visit the various Earth-Moon Lagrange points.
To my shame, I'm not actually sure to what extent these even count as "Earth orbits", but I'm confident someone around here will shed some light on the topic.
– Roger
Nov 30 at 20:31
1
That's technically a halo orbit around a lagrangian then, doesn't really fit High Earth Orbit, does it? (Genuine question) Haha, nice comment, exactly what I was going to say too, but I'm not an expert. I did forget those though, that's technically... I don't know, interesting addition. Added a picture for newer users to understand too. An orbit around L1 might fit the bill (unsure).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:32
2
@MagicOctopusUrn this is just a red circle with an arrow, drawn on a diagram, not a possible orbit. The frame of the drawing is already rotating. Halo orbits in the Earth-Moon system are orbits around the Earth, influenced by the Moon. When we draw them in rotating frames they look like they orbit around Lagrange points, but if you allow the frame to rotate, they are just wiggly orbits around earth. I think a halo orbit in the Earth-Moon system could be argued to be a kind of high Earth orbit, but HEO is just an arbitrary term so one could argue either way.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:33
@uhoh I'm thinking the red circle was intended to show the moons orbit.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Dec 3 at 13:50
@MagicOctopusUrn that diagram only exists in a rotating frame, the moon "stays put" in that diagram. Those contour lines already contain the pseudopotential based on the pseudo-force called centrifugal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… So it doesn't make sense to draw an orbit on top of that diagram.
– uhoh
Dec 3 at 14:06
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show 1 more comment
You could go visit the various Earth-Moon Lagrange points.
You could go visit the various Earth-Moon Lagrange points.
edited Nov 30 at 20:34
Magic Octopus Urn
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2,62011142
answered Nov 30 at 20:30
Roger
821114
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To my shame, I'm not actually sure to what extent these even count as "Earth orbits", but I'm confident someone around here will shed some light on the topic.
– Roger
Nov 30 at 20:31
1
That's technically a halo orbit around a lagrangian then, doesn't really fit High Earth Orbit, does it? (Genuine question) Haha, nice comment, exactly what I was going to say too, but I'm not an expert. I did forget those though, that's technically... I don't know, interesting addition. Added a picture for newer users to understand too. An orbit around L1 might fit the bill (unsure).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:32
2
@MagicOctopusUrn this is just a red circle with an arrow, drawn on a diagram, not a possible orbit. The frame of the drawing is already rotating. Halo orbits in the Earth-Moon system are orbits around the Earth, influenced by the Moon. When we draw them in rotating frames they look like they orbit around Lagrange points, but if you allow the frame to rotate, they are just wiggly orbits around earth. I think a halo orbit in the Earth-Moon system could be argued to be a kind of high Earth orbit, but HEO is just an arbitrary term so one could argue either way.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:33
@uhoh I'm thinking the red circle was intended to show the moons orbit.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Dec 3 at 13:50
@MagicOctopusUrn that diagram only exists in a rotating frame, the moon "stays put" in that diagram. Those contour lines already contain the pseudopotential based on the pseudo-force called centrifugal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… So it doesn't make sense to draw an orbit on top of that diagram.
– uhoh
Dec 3 at 14:06
|
show 1 more comment
To my shame, I'm not actually sure to what extent these even count as "Earth orbits", but I'm confident someone around here will shed some light on the topic.
– Roger
Nov 30 at 20:31
1
That's technically a halo orbit around a lagrangian then, doesn't really fit High Earth Orbit, does it? (Genuine question) Haha, nice comment, exactly what I was going to say too, but I'm not an expert. I did forget those though, that's technically... I don't know, interesting addition. Added a picture for newer users to understand too. An orbit around L1 might fit the bill (unsure).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:32
2
@MagicOctopusUrn this is just a red circle with an arrow, drawn on a diagram, not a possible orbit. The frame of the drawing is already rotating. Halo orbits in the Earth-Moon system are orbits around the Earth, influenced by the Moon. When we draw them in rotating frames they look like they orbit around Lagrange points, but if you allow the frame to rotate, they are just wiggly orbits around earth. I think a halo orbit in the Earth-Moon system could be argued to be a kind of high Earth orbit, but HEO is just an arbitrary term so one could argue either way.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:33
@uhoh I'm thinking the red circle was intended to show the moons orbit.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Dec 3 at 13:50
@MagicOctopusUrn that diagram only exists in a rotating frame, the moon "stays put" in that diagram. Those contour lines already contain the pseudopotential based on the pseudo-force called centrifugal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… So it doesn't make sense to draw an orbit on top of that diagram.
– uhoh
Dec 3 at 14:06
To my shame, I'm not actually sure to what extent these even count as "Earth orbits", but I'm confident someone around here will shed some light on the topic.
– Roger
Nov 30 at 20:31
To my shame, I'm not actually sure to what extent these even count as "Earth orbits", but I'm confident someone around here will shed some light on the topic.
– Roger
Nov 30 at 20:31
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That's technically a halo orbit around a lagrangian then, doesn't really fit High Earth Orbit, does it? (Genuine question) Haha, nice comment, exactly what I was going to say too, but I'm not an expert. I did forget those though, that's technically... I don't know, interesting addition. Added a picture for newer users to understand too. An orbit around L1 might fit the bill (unsure).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:32
That's technically a halo orbit around a lagrangian then, doesn't really fit High Earth Orbit, does it? (Genuine question) Haha, nice comment, exactly what I was going to say too, but I'm not an expert. I did forget those though, that's technically... I don't know, interesting addition. Added a picture for newer users to understand too. An orbit around L1 might fit the bill (unsure).
– Magic Octopus Urn
Nov 30 at 20:32
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2
@MagicOctopusUrn this is just a red circle with an arrow, drawn on a diagram, not a possible orbit. The frame of the drawing is already rotating. Halo orbits in the Earth-Moon system are orbits around the Earth, influenced by the Moon. When we draw them in rotating frames they look like they orbit around Lagrange points, but if you allow the frame to rotate, they are just wiggly orbits around earth. I think a halo orbit in the Earth-Moon system could be argued to be a kind of high Earth orbit, but HEO is just an arbitrary term so one could argue either way.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:33
@MagicOctopusUrn this is just a red circle with an arrow, drawn on a diagram, not a possible orbit. The frame of the drawing is already rotating. Halo orbits in the Earth-Moon system are orbits around the Earth, influenced by the Moon. When we draw them in rotating frames they look like they orbit around Lagrange points, but if you allow the frame to rotate, they are just wiggly orbits around earth. I think a halo orbit in the Earth-Moon system could be argued to be a kind of high Earth orbit, but HEO is just an arbitrary term so one could argue either way.
– uhoh
Nov 30 at 23:33
@uhoh I'm thinking the red circle was intended to show the moons orbit.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Dec 3 at 13:50
@uhoh I'm thinking the red circle was intended to show the moons orbit.
– Magic Octopus Urn
Dec 3 at 13:50
@MagicOctopusUrn that diagram only exists in a rotating frame, the moon "stays put" in that diagram. Those contour lines already contain the pseudopotential based on the pseudo-force called centrifugal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… So it doesn't make sense to draw an orbit on top of that diagram.
– uhoh
Dec 3 at 14:06
@MagicOctopusUrn that diagram only exists in a rotating frame, the moon "stays put" in that diagram. Those contour lines already contain the pseudopotential based on the pseudo-force called centrifugal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… So it doesn't make sense to draw an orbit on top of that diagram.
– uhoh
Dec 3 at 14:06
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