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In Ernest Rutherford's $alpha$-particle scattering experiment, it is well-known that the solid angle density of $alpha$-particle flux



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}$$



on the inner surface of a sphere of which the centre is the point of impingement of a beam of $alpha$-particles on a (extremely) thin gold foil is proportional to



$$csc^4frac{phi}{2}$$



where $phi$ is the angle away from the pole of the apparatus - the point on the sphere upon which an undeflected beam would impinge. This proportionality relation incurs the problem of having no normalisation: integration of it over even the smallest non-zero region of the sphere comprising the pole will yield an infinite flux.



But there are various mechanisms operating to blur the distribution of flux over the sphere and 'wash-out' the singularity at the pole, such as the non-zero width of the beam and the non-zero spread of directions in the beam. Clearly, at the pole flux-density is not going to exceed the flux density of the beam, and



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}leq frac{a^2dot{N_0}}{pi b^2}$$



where $dot{N_0}$ is the flux in the beam, $a$ is the radius of the sphere, & $b$ the radius of the beam.



I do not find in Rutherford's paper that there is any attempt to hardwire this blurring mathematically into the proportionality relation - it probably wasn't necessary to do so in order sufficiently to evince that the nucleus is an extreme concentration of charge and mass; and besides, the detection medium at the point on the sphere antipodal to the $alpha$-particle source was almost certainly utterly saturated: but I am curious anyway as to how it would be hardwired in. I fairly sure the greatest contribution to the blurring would be the finite width of the beam, followed by the spread of directions in the beam. I think the contribution from the finity of cross-section about a nucleus, in that more than a certain distance away another nucleus would be encountered, would be a small one.



So the question is primarily "how would the finite cross-sectional area of the beam be hardwired into the expression for solid-angle-density of flux (the $csc^4frac{phi}{2}$ expression) so that it can be normalised?". It's almost certainly going to be an integration over a disc centred on point at polar-angle $phi$ (I know $phi$ normally denotes azimuth these days, but Rutherford used it for polar-angle); but I can't quite catch the particular details of how to do it.



Postscript



It's also quite remarkable, I think, the sheer serendipity of how in those days they just barely had the resources to do this experiment: if you calculate what proportion of the flux must be collimated out to get a beam reasonably narrow and sufficiently close to thoroughly parallel, and factor in that $alpha$-particles cannot escape from deep within a bulk of substance, it transpires that radium has just sufficient activity to make the experiment feasible within a reasonable time span. These days the experiment could be reproduced in a trice with a piece of polonium-210, or one of many other nuclides.










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    I think one of the ways to make the total cross section finite is to use some sort of electron shielding/charge screening. Basically, the electron cloud in the gold foil does change the Coulomb force. The screened electric potential looks like the Yukawa potential (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_potential). However, I never did the calculations, and can't say for sure how well this works.
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    Nov 14 at 0:41








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    Indeed, replacing the Coulomb potential by a Yukawa potential removes the pole at $phi=0$. See farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/node133.html.
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    Nov 14 at 0:47












  • @Batominovski -- your comment inspired an attempt to address this problem by a similar method. I have cast it as an answer to my own question, though, as I could not possibly fit it into a comment.
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In Ernest Rutherford's $alpha$-particle scattering experiment, it is well-known that the solid angle density of $alpha$-particle flux



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}$$



on the inner surface of a sphere of which the centre is the point of impingement of a beam of $alpha$-particles on a (extremely) thin gold foil is proportional to



$$csc^4frac{phi}{2}$$



where $phi$ is the angle away from the pole of the apparatus - the point on the sphere upon which an undeflected beam would impinge. This proportionality relation incurs the problem of having no normalisation: integration of it over even the smallest non-zero region of the sphere comprising the pole will yield an infinite flux.



But there are various mechanisms operating to blur the distribution of flux over the sphere and 'wash-out' the singularity at the pole, such as the non-zero width of the beam and the non-zero spread of directions in the beam. Clearly, at the pole flux-density is not going to exceed the flux density of the beam, and



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}leq frac{a^2dot{N_0}}{pi b^2}$$



where $dot{N_0}$ is the flux in the beam, $a$ is the radius of the sphere, & $b$ the radius of the beam.



I do not find in Rutherford's paper that there is any attempt to hardwire this blurring mathematically into the proportionality relation - it probably wasn't necessary to do so in order sufficiently to evince that the nucleus is an extreme concentration of charge and mass; and besides, the detection medium at the point on the sphere antipodal to the $alpha$-particle source was almost certainly utterly saturated: but I am curious anyway as to how it would be hardwired in. I fairly sure the greatest contribution to the blurring would be the finite width of the beam, followed by the spread of directions in the beam. I think the contribution from the finity of cross-section about a nucleus, in that more than a certain distance away another nucleus would be encountered, would be a small one.



So the question is primarily "how would the finite cross-sectional area of the beam be hardwired into the expression for solid-angle-density of flux (the $csc^4frac{phi}{2}$ expression) so that it can be normalised?". It's almost certainly going to be an integration over a disc centred on point at polar-angle $phi$ (I know $phi$ normally denotes azimuth these days, but Rutherford used it for polar-angle); but I can't quite catch the particular details of how to do it.



Postscript



It's also quite remarkable, I think, the sheer serendipity of how in those days they just barely had the resources to do this experiment: if you calculate what proportion of the flux must be collimated out to get a beam reasonably narrow and sufficiently close to thoroughly parallel, and factor in that $alpha$-particles cannot escape from deep within a bulk of substance, it transpires that radium has just sufficient activity to make the experiment feasible within a reasonable time span. These days the experiment could be reproduced in a trice with a piece of polonium-210, or one of many other nuclides.










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    I think one of the ways to make the total cross section finite is to use some sort of electron shielding/charge screening. Basically, the electron cloud in the gold foil does change the Coulomb force. The screened electric potential looks like the Yukawa potential (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_potential). However, I never did the calculations, and can't say for sure how well this works.
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    Nov 14 at 0:41








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    Indeed, replacing the Coulomb potential by a Yukawa potential removes the pole at $phi=0$. See farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/node133.html.
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  • @Batominovski -- your comment inspired an attempt to address this problem by a similar method. I have cast it as an answer to my own question, though, as I could not possibly fit it into a comment.
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    Nov 14 at 8:29













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In Ernest Rutherford's $alpha$-particle scattering experiment, it is well-known that the solid angle density of $alpha$-particle flux



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}$$



on the inner surface of a sphere of which the centre is the point of impingement of a beam of $alpha$-particles on a (extremely) thin gold foil is proportional to



$$csc^4frac{phi}{2}$$



where $phi$ is the angle away from the pole of the apparatus - the point on the sphere upon which an undeflected beam would impinge. This proportionality relation incurs the problem of having no normalisation: integration of it over even the smallest non-zero region of the sphere comprising the pole will yield an infinite flux.



But there are various mechanisms operating to blur the distribution of flux over the sphere and 'wash-out' the singularity at the pole, such as the non-zero width of the beam and the non-zero spread of directions in the beam. Clearly, at the pole flux-density is not going to exceed the flux density of the beam, and



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}leq frac{a^2dot{N_0}}{pi b^2}$$



where $dot{N_0}$ is the flux in the beam, $a$ is the radius of the sphere, & $b$ the radius of the beam.



I do not find in Rutherford's paper that there is any attempt to hardwire this blurring mathematically into the proportionality relation - it probably wasn't necessary to do so in order sufficiently to evince that the nucleus is an extreme concentration of charge and mass; and besides, the detection medium at the point on the sphere antipodal to the $alpha$-particle source was almost certainly utterly saturated: but I am curious anyway as to how it would be hardwired in. I fairly sure the greatest contribution to the blurring would be the finite width of the beam, followed by the spread of directions in the beam. I think the contribution from the finity of cross-section about a nucleus, in that more than a certain distance away another nucleus would be encountered, would be a small one.



So the question is primarily "how would the finite cross-sectional area of the beam be hardwired into the expression for solid-angle-density of flux (the $csc^4frac{phi}{2}$ expression) so that it can be normalised?". It's almost certainly going to be an integration over a disc centred on point at polar-angle $phi$ (I know $phi$ normally denotes azimuth these days, but Rutherford used it for polar-angle); but I can't quite catch the particular details of how to do it.



Postscript



It's also quite remarkable, I think, the sheer serendipity of how in those days they just barely had the resources to do this experiment: if you calculate what proportion of the flux must be collimated out to get a beam reasonably narrow and sufficiently close to thoroughly parallel, and factor in that $alpha$-particles cannot escape from deep within a bulk of substance, it transpires that radium has just sufficient activity to make the experiment feasible within a reasonable time span. These days the experiment could be reproduced in a trice with a piece of polonium-210, or one of many other nuclides.










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In Ernest Rutherford's $alpha$-particle scattering experiment, it is well-known that the solid angle density of $alpha$-particle flux



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}$$



on the inner surface of a sphere of which the centre is the point of impingement of a beam of $alpha$-particles on a (extremely) thin gold foil is proportional to



$$csc^4frac{phi}{2}$$



where $phi$ is the angle away from the pole of the apparatus - the point on the sphere upon which an undeflected beam would impinge. This proportionality relation incurs the problem of having no normalisation: integration of it over even the smallest non-zero region of the sphere comprising the pole will yield an infinite flux.



But there are various mechanisms operating to blur the distribution of flux over the sphere and 'wash-out' the singularity at the pole, such as the non-zero width of the beam and the non-zero spread of directions in the beam. Clearly, at the pole flux-density is not going to exceed the flux density of the beam, and



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}leq frac{a^2dot{N_0}}{pi b^2}$$



where $dot{N_0}$ is the flux in the beam, $a$ is the radius of the sphere, & $b$ the radius of the beam.



I do not find in Rutherford's paper that there is any attempt to hardwire this blurring mathematically into the proportionality relation - it probably wasn't necessary to do so in order sufficiently to evince that the nucleus is an extreme concentration of charge and mass; and besides, the detection medium at the point on the sphere antipodal to the $alpha$-particle source was almost certainly utterly saturated: but I am curious anyway as to how it would be hardwired in. I fairly sure the greatest contribution to the blurring would be the finite width of the beam, followed by the spread of directions in the beam. I think the contribution from the finity of cross-section about a nucleus, in that more than a certain distance away another nucleus would be encountered, would be a small one.



So the question is primarily "how would the finite cross-sectional area of the beam be hardwired into the expression for solid-angle-density of flux (the $csc^4frac{phi}{2}$ expression) so that it can be normalised?". It's almost certainly going to be an integration over a disc centred on point at polar-angle $phi$ (I know $phi$ normally denotes azimuth these days, but Rutherford used it for polar-angle); but I can't quite catch the particular details of how to do it.



Postscript



It's also quite remarkable, I think, the sheer serendipity of how in those days they just barely had the resources to do this experiment: if you calculate what proportion of the flux must be collimated out to get a beam reasonably narrow and sufficiently close to thoroughly parallel, and factor in that $alpha$-particles cannot escape from deep within a bulk of substance, it transpires that radium has just sufficient activity to make the experiment feasible within a reasonable time span. These days the experiment could be reproduced in a trice with a piece of polonium-210, or one of many other nuclides.







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    I think one of the ways to make the total cross section finite is to use some sort of electron shielding/charge screening. Basically, the electron cloud in the gold foil does change the Coulomb force. The screened electric potential looks like the Yukawa potential (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_potential). However, I never did the calculations, and can't say for sure how well this works.
    – Batominovski
    Nov 14 at 0:41








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    Indeed, replacing the Coulomb potential by a Yukawa potential removes the pole at $phi=0$. See farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/node133.html.
    – Batominovski
    Nov 14 at 0:47












  • @Batominovski -- your comment inspired an attempt to address this problem by a similar method. I have cast it as an answer to my own question, though, as I could not possibly fit it into a comment.
    – AmbretteOrrisey
    Nov 14 at 8:29














  • 1




    I think one of the ways to make the total cross section finite is to use some sort of electron shielding/charge screening. Basically, the electron cloud in the gold foil does change the Coulomb force. The screened electric potential looks like the Yukawa potential (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_potential). However, I never did the calculations, and can't say for sure how well this works.
    – Batominovski
    Nov 14 at 0:41








  • 1




    Indeed, replacing the Coulomb potential by a Yukawa potential removes the pole at $phi=0$. See farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/node133.html.
    – Batominovski
    Nov 14 at 0:47












  • @Batominovski -- your comment inspired an attempt to address this problem by a similar method. I have cast it as an answer to my own question, though, as I could not possibly fit it into a comment.
    – AmbretteOrrisey
    Nov 14 at 8:29








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I think one of the ways to make the total cross section finite is to use some sort of electron shielding/charge screening. Basically, the electron cloud in the gold foil does change the Coulomb force. The screened electric potential looks like the Yukawa potential (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_potential). However, I never did the calculations, and can't say for sure how well this works.
– Batominovski
Nov 14 at 0:41






I think one of the ways to make the total cross section finite is to use some sort of electron shielding/charge screening. Basically, the electron cloud in the gold foil does change the Coulomb force. The screened electric potential looks like the Yukawa potential (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_potential). However, I never did the calculations, and can't say for sure how well this works.
– Batominovski
Nov 14 at 0:41






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Indeed, replacing the Coulomb potential by a Yukawa potential removes the pole at $phi=0$. See farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/node133.html.
– Batominovski
Nov 14 at 0:47






Indeed, replacing the Coulomb potential by a Yukawa potential removes the pole at $phi=0$. See farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/node133.html.
– Batominovski
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@Batominovski -- your comment inspired an attempt to address this problem by a similar method. I have cast it as an answer to my own question, though, as I could not possibly fit it into a comment.
– AmbretteOrrisey
Nov 14 at 8:29




@Batominovski -- your comment inspired an attempt to address this problem by a similar method. I have cast it as an answer to my own question, though, as I could not possibly fit it into a comment.
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Let $r$ be radius within the $alpha$-particle beam away from the axis of the beam; and let $b$ be the closest approach to the nucleus of an $alpha$-particle travelling straight at it.



$$r=frac{b}{2}cotfrac{phi}{2}$$



Introduce a 'unit' sigmoid function (ie has unit gradient at origin, is odd, and tends to ±1 as its argument tends to $pminfty$) $digamma$ that 'confines' $r$ to $rleq a$. This could be $arctan x$ or $tanh x$ or $dfrac{x}{sqrt{1+x^2}}$, or anything atall that fits the sigmoidity critærion; and set



$$r=adigammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right).$$



This basically 'squashes' the whole arrangement into a circle of radius $a$, with $a$ acting as a parameter.



Also let $dot{N}$ denote flux & $dot{n}$ denote flux density & $dot{n}_0$ be the $alpha$-particle flux density in the beam, & $dot{N}_0$ be the total $alpha$-particle flux in the beam. We have then



$$frac{ddot{N}}{dphi}
=
frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{2}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)csc^2frac{phi}{2}$$



It can be seen that if $digamma(x)$ tends to the horizontal line $y=pm1$ even so slow as $x^{-epsilon}$ (epsilon an arbitrarily small positive number, then the index of the resulting function as $phirightarrow 0$ will be $-1+epsilon$, by reason of $digamma' ×csc^2$, whence the total function integrable.



(It looks kind of odd that the expression explicitly in terms of $digamma$ & its derivative should have a value independent of the precise nature of $digamma$ ... but that becomes clear by noting that the integral is simply of $rcdot dr$; also that insofar as it itself is smaller it's derivative is greater, & vice versa, over most of its range.)



And then



$$begin{align}frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}&=frac{ddot{n}}{2pisinphi dphi}=frac{ddot{n}}{4pisinfrac{phi}{2}cosfrac{phi}{2} dphi}
\&=frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{8}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}
\&=
frac{dot{N}_0pi b}{8a}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}end{align}$$



applying the normalisation, which is now an elementary matter - no integration needs to be done because we have effectively done the derivation by reversing the normalisation integral.



By expressing it using the total $alpha$-particle flux density, it covers the scenario of there being many nuclei instead of just one - the many 'discs' each of radius $a$ behaving like just one 'disc with all the flux going through it ... except insofar as many take up space laterally! The matter of how the non-zero radius - indeed many atoms radius - acts to blurr the beam. I still haven't sorted that ... but what I have done here is to introduce a roughly plausibly physical tweak to the distribution - plausible in that an $alpha$-particle with its trajectory departing laterally from a nucleus will be caught up eventually in the field of another at a distance from the first that corresponds to the parameter $a$ - the radius of the disc within which, in the above derivation, the field is slightly distorted to fall to zero at the edge. If $a$ be larger by a substantial ratio than $b$, which is physically realistic, as in reality $b$ is much less than the semi-interatomic separation ... so the distribution will be pretty much the same as before - just now normalised. Speaking qualitatively, the reason the distribution in its untwoken form has a singularity (and a ^4 one at that!) is that there is in (growing) infinitude of lateral displacement corresponding to $phirightarrow 0$.



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I haven't as yet tried (to completion) that method with the Yukawa potential. I found that when I did try it, and commenced the derivation for $r$ in terms of $phi$, I got an integral I couldn't solve. Even for the case of a simple Coulomb potential, I had to wheel-out Gradstein & Ryzhik! The integral necessary for the solution using Yukawa potential might be buried in there somewhere ... but I couldn't find it in the time. The Wolfram Integrator gave up the ghost!
But then ... I might be using an unnecessarily hard method for solving for the deflection in terms of perpendicular distance of nucleus from undeviated path of $alpha$-particle (isn't "impact parameter" the correct name for that?) - I do that sort of thing sometimes. If anyone knows a simple method, please tell me!



But the Yukawa-potential method looks very similar to mine in many respects, with its single best-fit parameter.



And that



$$(frac{2mV_0}{hbar^2mu})^2frac{1}{(2k^2(1-costheta)+mu^2)^2}$$



is exactly the kind of expression I was looking for. But I haven't as yet figured-out the precise mathematical machinery for actually obtaining it! Also, I notice it removes the pole in the density (solid angle density $ddot{N}/dOmega$) distribution itself. My solution for that is still singular (or rather can still be - this does depend on the choice of $digamma$), and depends on the factor $2pisinphi$ (still clinging to Rutherford's notation!) that arises in integration over a sphere for integrability.



Actually, looking it up, they don't even do it, the classical way atall. Doing it the classical way, conserving momentum & energy about the nucleus, the integral is gotten



$$intfrac{dr}{rsqrt{r^2 -brexp(-kr)-a^2}}$$



, with $a$ the impact parameter, is obtained. I cannot find this in Gradsteyn & Ryzhyk (how many "i"s & "y"s are there in the correct spelling of that!?), & the Wolfram Online Integrator reports a "Computation time exceeded!" error. It's fine - though a tad awkward - with $k=0 therefore$ the exponential factor $=1$ in it.



Also the $b$ in this is not the same $b$ as in the non-Yukawa-ised form of this this problem & simply brought over from it: rather $b$ will now be given by a lambertw function ... but that's not so very bad atall. Infact, it'll just be



$$frac{w(kb_0)}{k} ,$$



with $b_0$ being the $b$ in the non-Yukawa-ised form. The closest approach of the α-particle being well within the shielding corresponds to $kb_0$ being a small fraction of 1, & therefore $b$ being not much less than $b_0$ ... $b≈b_0(1-kb_0(1-frac{3}{2}kb_0(1-frac{16}{9}kb_0)))$, infact.



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    Let $r$ be radius within the $alpha$-particle beam away from the axis of the beam; and let $b$ be the closest approach to the nucleus of an $alpha$-particle travelling straight at it.



    $$r=frac{b}{2}cotfrac{phi}{2}$$



    Introduce a 'unit' sigmoid function (ie has unit gradient at origin, is odd, and tends to ±1 as its argument tends to $pminfty$) $digamma$ that 'confines' $r$ to $rleq a$. This could be $arctan x$ or $tanh x$ or $dfrac{x}{sqrt{1+x^2}}$, or anything atall that fits the sigmoidity critærion; and set



    $$r=adigammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right).$$



    This basically 'squashes' the whole arrangement into a circle of radius $a$, with $a$ acting as a parameter.



    Also let $dot{N}$ denote flux & $dot{n}$ denote flux density & $dot{n}_0$ be the $alpha$-particle flux density in the beam, & $dot{N}_0$ be the total $alpha$-particle flux in the beam. We have then



    $$frac{ddot{N}}{dphi}
    =
    frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{2}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)csc^2frac{phi}{2}$$



    It can be seen that if $digamma(x)$ tends to the horizontal line $y=pm1$ even so slow as $x^{-epsilon}$ (epsilon an arbitrarily small positive number, then the index of the resulting function as $phirightarrow 0$ will be $-1+epsilon$, by reason of $digamma' ×csc^2$, whence the total function integrable.



    (It looks kind of odd that the expression explicitly in terms of $digamma$ & its derivative should have a value independent of the precise nature of $digamma$ ... but that becomes clear by noting that the integral is simply of $rcdot dr$; also that insofar as it itself is smaller it's derivative is greater, & vice versa, over most of its range.)



    And then



    $$begin{align}frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}&=frac{ddot{n}}{2pisinphi dphi}=frac{ddot{n}}{4pisinfrac{phi}{2}cosfrac{phi}{2} dphi}
    \&=frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{8}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}
    \&=
    frac{dot{N}_0pi b}{8a}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}end{align}$$



    applying the normalisation, which is now an elementary matter - no integration needs to be done because we have effectively done the derivation by reversing the normalisation integral.



    By expressing it using the total $alpha$-particle flux density, it covers the scenario of there being many nuclei instead of just one - the many 'discs' each of radius $a$ behaving like just one 'disc with all the flux going through it ... except insofar as many take up space laterally! The matter of how the non-zero radius - indeed many atoms radius - acts to blurr the beam. I still haven't sorted that ... but what I have done here is to introduce a roughly plausibly physical tweak to the distribution - plausible in that an $alpha$-particle with its trajectory departing laterally from a nucleus will be caught up eventually in the field of another at a distance from the first that corresponds to the parameter $a$ - the radius of the disc within which, in the above derivation, the field is slightly distorted to fall to zero at the edge. If $a$ be larger by a substantial ratio than $b$, which is physically realistic, as in reality $b$ is much less than the semi-interatomic separation ... so the distribution will be pretty much the same as before - just now normalised. Speaking qualitatively, the reason the distribution in its untwoken form has a singularity (and a ^4 one at that!) is that there is in (growing) infinitude of lateral displacement corresponding to $phirightarrow 0$.



    @Batominovski



    I haven't as yet tried (to completion) that method with the Yukawa potential. I found that when I did try it, and commenced the derivation for $r$ in terms of $phi$, I got an integral I couldn't solve. Even for the case of a simple Coulomb potential, I had to wheel-out Gradstein & Ryzhik! The integral necessary for the solution using Yukawa potential might be buried in there somewhere ... but I couldn't find it in the time. The Wolfram Integrator gave up the ghost!
    But then ... I might be using an unnecessarily hard method for solving for the deflection in terms of perpendicular distance of nucleus from undeviated path of $alpha$-particle (isn't "impact parameter" the correct name for that?) - I do that sort of thing sometimes. If anyone knows a simple method, please tell me!



    But the Yukawa-potential method looks very similar to mine in many respects, with its single best-fit parameter.



    And that



    $$(frac{2mV_0}{hbar^2mu})^2frac{1}{(2k^2(1-costheta)+mu^2)^2}$$



    is exactly the kind of expression I was looking for. But I haven't as yet figured-out the precise mathematical machinery for actually obtaining it! Also, I notice it removes the pole in the density (solid angle density $ddot{N}/dOmega$) distribution itself. My solution for that is still singular (or rather can still be - this does depend on the choice of $digamma$), and depends on the factor $2pisinphi$ (still clinging to Rutherford's notation!) that arises in integration over a sphere for integrability.



    Actually, looking it up, they don't even do it, the classical way atall. Doing it the classical way, conserving momentum & energy about the nucleus, the integral is gotten



    $$intfrac{dr}{rsqrt{r^2 -brexp(-kr)-a^2}}$$



    , with $a$ the impact parameter, is obtained. I cannot find this in Gradsteyn & Ryzhyk (how many "i"s & "y"s are there in the correct spelling of that!?), & the Wolfram Online Integrator reports a "Computation time exceeded!" error. It's fine - though a tad awkward - with $k=0 therefore$ the exponential factor $=1$ in it.



    Also the $b$ in this is not the same $b$ as in the non-Yukawa-ised form of this this problem & simply brought over from it: rather $b$ will now be given by a lambertw function ... but that's not so very bad atall. Infact, it'll just be



    $$frac{w(kb_0)}{k} ,$$



    with $b_0$ being the $b$ in the non-Yukawa-ised form. The closest approach of the α-particle being well within the shielding corresponds to $kb_0$ being a small fraction of 1, & therefore $b$ being not much less than $b_0$ ... $b≈b_0(1-kb_0(1-frac{3}{2}kb_0(1-frac{16}{9}kb_0)))$, infact.



    Does anyone by any chance know how to do the special "f" for "function" in LateX? It's character 133 in ASCII.






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      Let $r$ be radius within the $alpha$-particle beam away from the axis of the beam; and let $b$ be the closest approach to the nucleus of an $alpha$-particle travelling straight at it.



      $$r=frac{b}{2}cotfrac{phi}{2}$$



      Introduce a 'unit' sigmoid function (ie has unit gradient at origin, is odd, and tends to ±1 as its argument tends to $pminfty$) $digamma$ that 'confines' $r$ to $rleq a$. This could be $arctan x$ or $tanh x$ or $dfrac{x}{sqrt{1+x^2}}$, or anything atall that fits the sigmoidity critærion; and set



      $$r=adigammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right).$$



      This basically 'squashes' the whole arrangement into a circle of radius $a$, with $a$ acting as a parameter.



      Also let $dot{N}$ denote flux & $dot{n}$ denote flux density & $dot{n}_0$ be the $alpha$-particle flux density in the beam, & $dot{N}_0$ be the total $alpha$-particle flux in the beam. We have then



      $$frac{ddot{N}}{dphi}
      =
      frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{2}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)csc^2frac{phi}{2}$$



      It can be seen that if $digamma(x)$ tends to the horizontal line $y=pm1$ even so slow as $x^{-epsilon}$ (epsilon an arbitrarily small positive number, then the index of the resulting function as $phirightarrow 0$ will be $-1+epsilon$, by reason of $digamma' ×csc^2$, whence the total function integrable.



      (It looks kind of odd that the expression explicitly in terms of $digamma$ & its derivative should have a value independent of the precise nature of $digamma$ ... but that becomes clear by noting that the integral is simply of $rcdot dr$; also that insofar as it itself is smaller it's derivative is greater, & vice versa, over most of its range.)



      And then



      $$begin{align}frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}&=frac{ddot{n}}{2pisinphi dphi}=frac{ddot{n}}{4pisinfrac{phi}{2}cosfrac{phi}{2} dphi}
      \&=frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{8}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}
      \&=
      frac{dot{N}_0pi b}{8a}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}end{align}$$



      applying the normalisation, which is now an elementary matter - no integration needs to be done because we have effectively done the derivation by reversing the normalisation integral.



      By expressing it using the total $alpha$-particle flux density, it covers the scenario of there being many nuclei instead of just one - the many 'discs' each of radius $a$ behaving like just one 'disc with all the flux going through it ... except insofar as many take up space laterally! The matter of how the non-zero radius - indeed many atoms radius - acts to blurr the beam. I still haven't sorted that ... but what I have done here is to introduce a roughly plausibly physical tweak to the distribution - plausible in that an $alpha$-particle with its trajectory departing laterally from a nucleus will be caught up eventually in the field of another at a distance from the first that corresponds to the parameter $a$ - the radius of the disc within which, in the above derivation, the field is slightly distorted to fall to zero at the edge. If $a$ be larger by a substantial ratio than $b$, which is physically realistic, as in reality $b$ is much less than the semi-interatomic separation ... so the distribution will be pretty much the same as before - just now normalised. Speaking qualitatively, the reason the distribution in its untwoken form has a singularity (and a ^4 one at that!) is that there is in (growing) infinitude of lateral displacement corresponding to $phirightarrow 0$.



      @Batominovski



      I haven't as yet tried (to completion) that method with the Yukawa potential. I found that when I did try it, and commenced the derivation for $r$ in terms of $phi$, I got an integral I couldn't solve. Even for the case of a simple Coulomb potential, I had to wheel-out Gradstein & Ryzhik! The integral necessary for the solution using Yukawa potential might be buried in there somewhere ... but I couldn't find it in the time. The Wolfram Integrator gave up the ghost!
      But then ... I might be using an unnecessarily hard method for solving for the deflection in terms of perpendicular distance of nucleus from undeviated path of $alpha$-particle (isn't "impact parameter" the correct name for that?) - I do that sort of thing sometimes. If anyone knows a simple method, please tell me!



      But the Yukawa-potential method looks very similar to mine in many respects, with its single best-fit parameter.



      And that



      $$(frac{2mV_0}{hbar^2mu})^2frac{1}{(2k^2(1-costheta)+mu^2)^2}$$



      is exactly the kind of expression I was looking for. But I haven't as yet figured-out the precise mathematical machinery for actually obtaining it! Also, I notice it removes the pole in the density (solid angle density $ddot{N}/dOmega$) distribution itself. My solution for that is still singular (or rather can still be - this does depend on the choice of $digamma$), and depends on the factor $2pisinphi$ (still clinging to Rutherford's notation!) that arises in integration over a sphere for integrability.



      Actually, looking it up, they don't even do it, the classical way atall. Doing it the classical way, conserving momentum & energy about the nucleus, the integral is gotten



      $$intfrac{dr}{rsqrt{r^2 -brexp(-kr)-a^2}}$$



      , with $a$ the impact parameter, is obtained. I cannot find this in Gradsteyn & Ryzhyk (how many "i"s & "y"s are there in the correct spelling of that!?), & the Wolfram Online Integrator reports a "Computation time exceeded!" error. It's fine - though a tad awkward - with $k=0 therefore$ the exponential factor $=1$ in it.



      Also the $b$ in this is not the same $b$ as in the non-Yukawa-ised form of this this problem & simply brought over from it: rather $b$ will now be given by a lambertw function ... but that's not so very bad atall. Infact, it'll just be



      $$frac{w(kb_0)}{k} ,$$



      with $b_0$ being the $b$ in the non-Yukawa-ised form. The closest approach of the α-particle being well within the shielding corresponds to $kb_0$ being a small fraction of 1, & therefore $b$ being not much less than $b_0$ ... $b≈b_0(1-kb_0(1-frac{3}{2}kb_0(1-frac{16}{9}kb_0)))$, infact.



      Does anyone by any chance know how to do the special "f" for "function" in LateX? It's character 133 in ASCII.






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        Let $r$ be radius within the $alpha$-particle beam away from the axis of the beam; and let $b$ be the closest approach to the nucleus of an $alpha$-particle travelling straight at it.



        $$r=frac{b}{2}cotfrac{phi}{2}$$



        Introduce a 'unit' sigmoid function (ie has unit gradient at origin, is odd, and tends to ±1 as its argument tends to $pminfty$) $digamma$ that 'confines' $r$ to $rleq a$. This could be $arctan x$ or $tanh x$ or $dfrac{x}{sqrt{1+x^2}}$, or anything atall that fits the sigmoidity critærion; and set



        $$r=adigammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right).$$



        This basically 'squashes' the whole arrangement into a circle of radius $a$, with $a$ acting as a parameter.



        Also let $dot{N}$ denote flux & $dot{n}$ denote flux density & $dot{n}_0$ be the $alpha$-particle flux density in the beam, & $dot{N}_0$ be the total $alpha$-particle flux in the beam. We have then



        $$frac{ddot{N}}{dphi}
        =
        frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{2}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)csc^2frac{phi}{2}$$



        It can be seen that if $digamma(x)$ tends to the horizontal line $y=pm1$ even so slow as $x^{-epsilon}$ (epsilon an arbitrarily small positive number, then the index of the resulting function as $phirightarrow 0$ will be $-1+epsilon$, by reason of $digamma' ×csc^2$, whence the total function integrable.



        (It looks kind of odd that the expression explicitly in terms of $digamma$ & its derivative should have a value independent of the precise nature of $digamma$ ... but that becomes clear by noting that the integral is simply of $rcdot dr$; also that insofar as it itself is smaller it's derivative is greater, & vice versa, over most of its range.)



        And then



        $$begin{align}frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}&=frac{ddot{n}}{2pisinphi dphi}=frac{ddot{n}}{4pisinfrac{phi}{2}cosfrac{phi}{2} dphi}
        \&=frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{8}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}
        \&=
        frac{dot{N}_0pi b}{8a}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}end{align}$$



        applying the normalisation, which is now an elementary matter - no integration needs to be done because we have effectively done the derivation by reversing the normalisation integral.



        By expressing it using the total $alpha$-particle flux density, it covers the scenario of there being many nuclei instead of just one - the many 'discs' each of radius $a$ behaving like just one 'disc with all the flux going through it ... except insofar as many take up space laterally! The matter of how the non-zero radius - indeed many atoms radius - acts to blurr the beam. I still haven't sorted that ... but what I have done here is to introduce a roughly plausibly physical tweak to the distribution - plausible in that an $alpha$-particle with its trajectory departing laterally from a nucleus will be caught up eventually in the field of another at a distance from the first that corresponds to the parameter $a$ - the radius of the disc within which, in the above derivation, the field is slightly distorted to fall to zero at the edge. If $a$ be larger by a substantial ratio than $b$, which is physically realistic, as in reality $b$ is much less than the semi-interatomic separation ... so the distribution will be pretty much the same as before - just now normalised. Speaking qualitatively, the reason the distribution in its untwoken form has a singularity (and a ^4 one at that!) is that there is in (growing) infinitude of lateral displacement corresponding to $phirightarrow 0$.



        @Batominovski



        I haven't as yet tried (to completion) that method with the Yukawa potential. I found that when I did try it, and commenced the derivation for $r$ in terms of $phi$, I got an integral I couldn't solve. Even for the case of a simple Coulomb potential, I had to wheel-out Gradstein & Ryzhik! The integral necessary for the solution using Yukawa potential might be buried in there somewhere ... but I couldn't find it in the time. The Wolfram Integrator gave up the ghost!
        But then ... I might be using an unnecessarily hard method for solving for the deflection in terms of perpendicular distance of nucleus from undeviated path of $alpha$-particle (isn't "impact parameter" the correct name for that?) - I do that sort of thing sometimes. If anyone knows a simple method, please tell me!



        But the Yukawa-potential method looks very similar to mine in many respects, with its single best-fit parameter.



        And that



        $$(frac{2mV_0}{hbar^2mu})^2frac{1}{(2k^2(1-costheta)+mu^2)^2}$$



        is exactly the kind of expression I was looking for. But I haven't as yet figured-out the precise mathematical machinery for actually obtaining it! Also, I notice it removes the pole in the density (solid angle density $ddot{N}/dOmega$) distribution itself. My solution for that is still singular (or rather can still be - this does depend on the choice of $digamma$), and depends on the factor $2pisinphi$ (still clinging to Rutherford's notation!) that arises in integration over a sphere for integrability.



        Actually, looking it up, they don't even do it, the classical way atall. Doing it the classical way, conserving momentum & energy about the nucleus, the integral is gotten



        $$intfrac{dr}{rsqrt{r^2 -brexp(-kr)-a^2}}$$



        , with $a$ the impact parameter, is obtained. I cannot find this in Gradsteyn & Ryzhyk (how many "i"s & "y"s are there in the correct spelling of that!?), & the Wolfram Online Integrator reports a "Computation time exceeded!" error. It's fine - though a tad awkward - with $k=0 therefore$ the exponential factor $=1$ in it.



        Also the $b$ in this is not the same $b$ as in the non-Yukawa-ised form of this this problem & simply brought over from it: rather $b$ will now be given by a lambertw function ... but that's not so very bad atall. Infact, it'll just be



        $$frac{w(kb_0)}{k} ,$$



        with $b_0$ being the $b$ in the non-Yukawa-ised form. The closest approach of the α-particle being well within the shielding corresponds to $kb_0$ being a small fraction of 1, & therefore $b$ being not much less than $b_0$ ... $b≈b_0(1-kb_0(1-frac{3}{2}kb_0(1-frac{16}{9}kb_0)))$, infact.



        Does anyone by any chance know how to do the special "f" for "function" in LateX? It's character 133 in ASCII.






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        Let $r$ be radius within the $alpha$-particle beam away from the axis of the beam; and let $b$ be the closest approach to the nucleus of an $alpha$-particle travelling straight at it.



        $$r=frac{b}{2}cotfrac{phi}{2}$$



        Introduce a 'unit' sigmoid function (ie has unit gradient at origin, is odd, and tends to ±1 as its argument tends to $pminfty$) $digamma$ that 'confines' $r$ to $rleq a$. This could be $arctan x$ or $tanh x$ or $dfrac{x}{sqrt{1+x^2}}$, or anything atall that fits the sigmoidity critærion; and set



        $$r=adigammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right).$$



        This basically 'squashes' the whole arrangement into a circle of radius $a$, with $a$ acting as a parameter.



        Also let $dot{N}$ denote flux & $dot{n}$ denote flux density & $dot{n}_0$ be the $alpha$-particle flux density in the beam, & $dot{N}_0$ be the total $alpha$-particle flux in the beam. We have then



        $$frac{ddot{N}}{dphi}
        =
        frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{2}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)csc^2frac{phi}{2}$$



        It can be seen that if $digamma(x)$ tends to the horizontal line $y=pm1$ even so slow as $x^{-epsilon}$ (epsilon an arbitrarily small positive number, then the index of the resulting function as $phirightarrow 0$ will be $-1+epsilon$, by reason of $digamma' ×csc^2$, whence the total function integrable.



        (It looks kind of odd that the expression explicitly in terms of $digamma$ & its derivative should have a value independent of the precise nature of $digamma$ ... but that becomes clear by noting that the integral is simply of $rcdot dr$; also that insofar as it itself is smaller it's derivative is greater, & vice versa, over most of its range.)



        And then



        $$begin{align}frac{ddot{N}}{dOmega}&=frac{ddot{n}}{2pisinphi dphi}=frac{ddot{n}}{4pisinfrac{phi}{2}cosfrac{phi}{2} dphi}
        \&=frac{dot{n}_0pi ab}{8}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}
        \&=
        frac{dot{N}_0pi b}{8a}digammaleft(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)digamma'left(frac{b}{2a}cotfrac{phi}{2}right)secfrac{phi}{2}csc^3frac{phi}{2}end{align}$$



        applying the normalisation, which is now an elementary matter - no integration needs to be done because we have effectively done the derivation by reversing the normalisation integral.



        By expressing it using the total $alpha$-particle flux density, it covers the scenario of there being many nuclei instead of just one - the many 'discs' each of radius $a$ behaving like just one 'disc with all the flux going through it ... except insofar as many take up space laterally! The matter of how the non-zero radius - indeed many atoms radius - acts to blurr the beam. I still haven't sorted that ... but what I have done here is to introduce a roughly plausibly physical tweak to the distribution - plausible in that an $alpha$-particle with its trajectory departing laterally from a nucleus will be caught up eventually in the field of another at a distance from the first that corresponds to the parameter $a$ - the radius of the disc within which, in the above derivation, the field is slightly distorted to fall to zero at the edge. If $a$ be larger by a substantial ratio than $b$, which is physically realistic, as in reality $b$ is much less than the semi-interatomic separation ... so the distribution will be pretty much the same as before - just now normalised. Speaking qualitatively, the reason the distribution in its untwoken form has a singularity (and a ^4 one at that!) is that there is in (growing) infinitude of lateral displacement corresponding to $phirightarrow 0$.



        @Batominovski



        I haven't as yet tried (to completion) that method with the Yukawa potential. I found that when I did try it, and commenced the derivation for $r$ in terms of $phi$, I got an integral I couldn't solve. Even for the case of a simple Coulomb potential, I had to wheel-out Gradstein & Ryzhik! The integral necessary for the solution using Yukawa potential might be buried in there somewhere ... but I couldn't find it in the time. The Wolfram Integrator gave up the ghost!
        But then ... I might be using an unnecessarily hard method for solving for the deflection in terms of perpendicular distance of nucleus from undeviated path of $alpha$-particle (isn't "impact parameter" the correct name for that?) - I do that sort of thing sometimes. If anyone knows a simple method, please tell me!



        But the Yukawa-potential method looks very similar to mine in many respects, with its single best-fit parameter.



        And that



        $$(frac{2mV_0}{hbar^2mu})^2frac{1}{(2k^2(1-costheta)+mu^2)^2}$$



        is exactly the kind of expression I was looking for. But I haven't as yet figured-out the precise mathematical machinery for actually obtaining it! Also, I notice it removes the pole in the density (solid angle density $ddot{N}/dOmega$) distribution itself. My solution for that is still singular (or rather can still be - this does depend on the choice of $digamma$), and depends on the factor $2pisinphi$ (still clinging to Rutherford's notation!) that arises in integration over a sphere for integrability.



        Actually, looking it up, they don't even do it, the classical way atall. Doing it the classical way, conserving momentum & energy about the nucleus, the integral is gotten



        $$intfrac{dr}{rsqrt{r^2 -brexp(-kr)-a^2}}$$



        , with $a$ the impact parameter, is obtained. I cannot find this in Gradsteyn & Ryzhyk (how many "i"s & "y"s are there in the correct spelling of that!?), & the Wolfram Online Integrator reports a "Computation time exceeded!" error. It's fine - though a tad awkward - with $k=0 therefore$ the exponential factor $=1$ in it.



        Also the $b$ in this is not the same $b$ as in the non-Yukawa-ised form of this this problem & simply brought over from it: rather $b$ will now be given by a lambertw function ... but that's not so very bad atall. Infact, it'll just be



        $$frac{w(kb_0)}{k} ,$$



        with $b_0$ being the $b$ in the non-Yukawa-ised form. The closest approach of the α-particle being well within the shielding corresponds to $kb_0$ being a small fraction of 1, & therefore $b$ being not much less than $b_0$ ... $b≈b_0(1-kb_0(1-frac{3}{2}kb_0(1-frac{16}{9}kb_0)))$, infact.



        Does anyone by any chance know how to do the special "f" for "function" in LateX? It's character 133 in ASCII.







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