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Currently I am facing some difficulties playing as black when my opponent plays 1.g3.
In the midgame actually my position gets cramped. Is there some strong response to 1.g3? I actually want some good defense lines to counter 1.g3.










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    Currently I am facing some difficulties playing as black when my opponent plays 1.g3.
    In the midgame actually my position gets cramped. Is there some strong response to 1.g3? I actually want some good defense lines to counter 1.g3.










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      Currently I am facing some difficulties playing as black when my opponent plays 1.g3.
      In the midgame actually my position gets cramped. Is there some strong response to 1.g3? I actually want some good defense lines to counter 1.g3.










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      Currently I am facing some difficulties playing as black when my opponent plays 1.g3.
      In the midgame actually my position gets cramped. Is there some strong response to 1.g3? I actually want some good defense lines to counter 1.g3.







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          By far, the most aggressive and direct response to 1.g3 is prepare for king-side pawn storm with h7-h5-h4.



          That doesn't mean you play 1...h5! I'm afraid there're too many setups for ...h5. You have to see what White do. A possibility is:




          ...Bf5, ...Qd7, ...0-0-0, ...h5, ...h4, ...hxg3, ...Bh3




          Sorry, there's no way to cover all the possibilities. The idea is not castle king-side yourself as you know before even making your first move you have the g3 target to attack. Castle queenside, keep your rook on the h (or g) file and go!




          ... gets cramped




          The castle-queenside line shouldn't give you a cramped position, but a dynamic double-edge position.






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          • Thanks for your suggestions @SmallChess.
            – Akash Roy
            Nov 20 at 9:18










          • I agree - h5 seems like most direct attack on white's first move; but there are more ways to have a good play as black anyway :)
            – Drako
            Nov 20 at 12:53










          • I castle kingside facing this and start advancing queenside pawns.
            – Joshua
            Nov 20 at 17:25


















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          Many responses will be good against g3 - if you have problems against it - actually its indicator that you have problems with general chess principles, so just study chess, get some good book on middle-game strategy and don't think of g3 for now. g3 is very slow and has no real opening threat for black - it takes on middle-game understanding though.






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          • I actually respond with d5. The game goes as g3 d5, nf3 nf6 , bg2 c6, 0-0 bf5 . Is that okay?
            – Akash Roy
            Nov 20 at 7:06






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            @AkashRoy That's one of the main line responses to 1 g3, so yes, it's okay.
            – Annatar
            Nov 20 at 8:12






          • 2




            @AkashRoy The thing about very non-confrontative white openings is that it is very hard to be confrontative in a sound way early on as Black. However, with lines like the one you gave you get equality for free and thus good prospects for the middlegame. I second the advice to focus on that part, not the first moves.
            – Annatar
            Nov 20 at 8:16












          • Thanks @Annatar
            – Akash Roy
            Nov 20 at 9:15


















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          Play purposefully... What does it mean? From a high-level point of view, white is giving up control of the center by playing on the flank - the best way to counter that is for you to play in the center. Pawn advances in the center and piece activity will get you there. For example, if white castles king side and starts pushing h-pawn, that will make g3 pawn weak: you can try to control the a7 - f1 dark diagonal to launch an attack.






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            If you like some attacking dynamic response, you could try to form a reverse Sicilian like system with 1...c5 and transpose to a Reverse Saemisch attack, if he doesn't do an early e4.



             [title "Reverse Saemisch"]
            [fen "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
            1. g3 c5 2. Bg2 d5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. O-O e5 5. d3 f6


            Though Black is a tempo short as opposed to the usual Saemisch attack, the position is still equal and White has to play extremely sharp.



            You can try castling long (if White doesn't generate enough queenside counter play) and kingside pawn storm.






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              By far, the most aggressive and direct response to 1.g3 is prepare for king-side pawn storm with h7-h5-h4.



              That doesn't mean you play 1...h5! I'm afraid there're too many setups for ...h5. You have to see what White do. A possibility is:




              ...Bf5, ...Qd7, ...0-0-0, ...h5, ...h4, ...hxg3, ...Bh3




              Sorry, there's no way to cover all the possibilities. The idea is not castle king-side yourself as you know before even making your first move you have the g3 target to attack. Castle queenside, keep your rook on the h (or g) file and go!




              ... gets cramped




              The castle-queenside line shouldn't give you a cramped position, but a dynamic double-edge position.






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              • Thanks for your suggestions @SmallChess.
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 9:18










              • I agree - h5 seems like most direct attack on white's first move; but there are more ways to have a good play as black anyway :)
                – Drako
                Nov 20 at 12:53










              • I castle kingside facing this and start advancing queenside pawns.
                – Joshua
                Nov 20 at 17:25















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              accepted










              By far, the most aggressive and direct response to 1.g3 is prepare for king-side pawn storm with h7-h5-h4.



              That doesn't mean you play 1...h5! I'm afraid there're too many setups for ...h5. You have to see what White do. A possibility is:




              ...Bf5, ...Qd7, ...0-0-0, ...h5, ...h4, ...hxg3, ...Bh3




              Sorry, there's no way to cover all the possibilities. The idea is not castle king-side yourself as you know before even making your first move you have the g3 target to attack. Castle queenside, keep your rook on the h (or g) file and go!




              ... gets cramped




              The castle-queenside line shouldn't give you a cramped position, but a dynamic double-edge position.






              share|improve this answer























              • Thanks for your suggestions @SmallChess.
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 9:18










              • I agree - h5 seems like most direct attack on white's first move; but there are more ways to have a good play as black anyway :)
                – Drako
                Nov 20 at 12:53










              • I castle kingside facing this and start advancing queenside pawns.
                – Joshua
                Nov 20 at 17:25













              up vote
              5
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              accepted







              up vote
              5
              down vote



              accepted






              By far, the most aggressive and direct response to 1.g3 is prepare for king-side pawn storm with h7-h5-h4.



              That doesn't mean you play 1...h5! I'm afraid there're too many setups for ...h5. You have to see what White do. A possibility is:




              ...Bf5, ...Qd7, ...0-0-0, ...h5, ...h4, ...hxg3, ...Bh3




              Sorry, there's no way to cover all the possibilities. The idea is not castle king-side yourself as you know before even making your first move you have the g3 target to attack. Castle queenside, keep your rook on the h (or g) file and go!




              ... gets cramped




              The castle-queenside line shouldn't give you a cramped position, but a dynamic double-edge position.






              share|improve this answer














              By far, the most aggressive and direct response to 1.g3 is prepare for king-side pawn storm with h7-h5-h4.



              That doesn't mean you play 1...h5! I'm afraid there're too many setups for ...h5. You have to see what White do. A possibility is:




              ...Bf5, ...Qd7, ...0-0-0, ...h5, ...h4, ...hxg3, ...Bh3




              Sorry, there's no way to cover all the possibilities. The idea is not castle king-side yourself as you know before even making your first move you have the g3 target to attack. Castle queenside, keep your rook on the h (or g) file and go!




              ... gets cramped




              The castle-queenside line shouldn't give you a cramped position, but a dynamic double-edge position.







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              • Thanks for your suggestions @SmallChess.
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 9:18










              • I agree - h5 seems like most direct attack on white's first move; but there are more ways to have a good play as black anyway :)
                – Drako
                Nov 20 at 12:53










              • I castle kingside facing this and start advancing queenside pawns.
                – Joshua
                Nov 20 at 17:25


















              • Thanks for your suggestions @SmallChess.
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 9:18










              • I agree - h5 seems like most direct attack on white's first move; but there are more ways to have a good play as black anyway :)
                – Drako
                Nov 20 at 12:53










              • I castle kingside facing this and start advancing queenside pawns.
                – Joshua
                Nov 20 at 17:25
















              Thanks for your suggestions @SmallChess.
              – Akash Roy
              Nov 20 at 9:18




              Thanks for your suggestions @SmallChess.
              – Akash Roy
              Nov 20 at 9:18












              I agree - h5 seems like most direct attack on white's first move; but there are more ways to have a good play as black anyway :)
              – Drako
              Nov 20 at 12:53




              I agree - h5 seems like most direct attack on white's first move; but there are more ways to have a good play as black anyway :)
              – Drako
              Nov 20 at 12:53












              I castle kingside facing this and start advancing queenside pawns.
              – Joshua
              Nov 20 at 17:25




              I castle kingside facing this and start advancing queenside pawns.
              – Joshua
              Nov 20 at 17:25










              up vote
              6
              down vote













              Many responses will be good against g3 - if you have problems against it - actually its indicator that you have problems with general chess principles, so just study chess, get some good book on middle-game strategy and don't think of g3 for now. g3 is very slow and has no real opening threat for black - it takes on middle-game understanding though.






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              • I actually respond with d5. The game goes as g3 d5, nf3 nf6 , bg2 c6, 0-0 bf5 . Is that okay?
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 7:06






              • 1




                @AkashRoy That's one of the main line responses to 1 g3, so yes, it's okay.
                – Annatar
                Nov 20 at 8:12






              • 2




                @AkashRoy The thing about very non-confrontative white openings is that it is very hard to be confrontative in a sound way early on as Black. However, with lines like the one you gave you get equality for free and thus good prospects for the middlegame. I second the advice to focus on that part, not the first moves.
                – Annatar
                Nov 20 at 8:16












              • Thanks @Annatar
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 9:15















              up vote
              6
              down vote













              Many responses will be good against g3 - if you have problems against it - actually its indicator that you have problems with general chess principles, so just study chess, get some good book on middle-game strategy and don't think of g3 for now. g3 is very slow and has no real opening threat for black - it takes on middle-game understanding though.






              share|improve this answer





















              • I actually respond with d5. The game goes as g3 d5, nf3 nf6 , bg2 c6, 0-0 bf5 . Is that okay?
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 7:06






              • 1




                @AkashRoy That's one of the main line responses to 1 g3, so yes, it's okay.
                – Annatar
                Nov 20 at 8:12






              • 2




                @AkashRoy The thing about very non-confrontative white openings is that it is very hard to be confrontative in a sound way early on as Black. However, with lines like the one you gave you get equality for free and thus good prospects for the middlegame. I second the advice to focus on that part, not the first moves.
                – Annatar
                Nov 20 at 8:16












              • Thanks @Annatar
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 9:15













              up vote
              6
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              up vote
              6
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              Many responses will be good against g3 - if you have problems against it - actually its indicator that you have problems with general chess principles, so just study chess, get some good book on middle-game strategy and don't think of g3 for now. g3 is very slow and has no real opening threat for black - it takes on middle-game understanding though.






              share|improve this answer












              Many responses will be good against g3 - if you have problems against it - actually its indicator that you have problems with general chess principles, so just study chess, get some good book on middle-game strategy and don't think of g3 for now. g3 is very slow and has no real opening threat for black - it takes on middle-game understanding though.







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              • I actually respond with d5. The game goes as g3 d5, nf3 nf6 , bg2 c6, 0-0 bf5 . Is that okay?
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 7:06






              • 1




                @AkashRoy That's one of the main line responses to 1 g3, so yes, it's okay.
                – Annatar
                Nov 20 at 8:12






              • 2




                @AkashRoy The thing about very non-confrontative white openings is that it is very hard to be confrontative in a sound way early on as Black. However, with lines like the one you gave you get equality for free and thus good prospects for the middlegame. I second the advice to focus on that part, not the first moves.
                – Annatar
                Nov 20 at 8:16












              • Thanks @Annatar
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 9:15


















              • I actually respond with d5. The game goes as g3 d5, nf3 nf6 , bg2 c6, 0-0 bf5 . Is that okay?
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 7:06






              • 1




                @AkashRoy That's one of the main line responses to 1 g3, so yes, it's okay.
                – Annatar
                Nov 20 at 8:12






              • 2




                @AkashRoy The thing about very non-confrontative white openings is that it is very hard to be confrontative in a sound way early on as Black. However, with lines like the one you gave you get equality for free and thus good prospects for the middlegame. I second the advice to focus on that part, not the first moves.
                – Annatar
                Nov 20 at 8:16












              • Thanks @Annatar
                – Akash Roy
                Nov 20 at 9:15
















              I actually respond with d5. The game goes as g3 d5, nf3 nf6 , bg2 c6, 0-0 bf5 . Is that okay?
              – Akash Roy
              Nov 20 at 7:06




              I actually respond with d5. The game goes as g3 d5, nf3 nf6 , bg2 c6, 0-0 bf5 . Is that okay?
              – Akash Roy
              Nov 20 at 7:06




              1




              1




              @AkashRoy That's one of the main line responses to 1 g3, so yes, it's okay.
              – Annatar
              Nov 20 at 8:12




              @AkashRoy That's one of the main line responses to 1 g3, so yes, it's okay.
              – Annatar
              Nov 20 at 8:12




              2




              2




              @AkashRoy The thing about very non-confrontative white openings is that it is very hard to be confrontative in a sound way early on as Black. However, with lines like the one you gave you get equality for free and thus good prospects for the middlegame. I second the advice to focus on that part, not the first moves.
              – Annatar
              Nov 20 at 8:16






              @AkashRoy The thing about very non-confrontative white openings is that it is very hard to be confrontative in a sound way early on as Black. However, with lines like the one you gave you get equality for free and thus good prospects for the middlegame. I second the advice to focus on that part, not the first moves.
              – Annatar
              Nov 20 at 8:16














              Thanks @Annatar
              – Akash Roy
              Nov 20 at 9:15




              Thanks @Annatar
              – Akash Roy
              Nov 20 at 9:15










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              Play purposefully... What does it mean? From a high-level point of view, white is giving up control of the center by playing on the flank - the best way to counter that is for you to play in the center. Pawn advances in the center and piece activity will get you there. For example, if white castles king side and starts pushing h-pawn, that will make g3 pawn weak: you can try to control the a7 - f1 dark diagonal to launch an attack.






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                Play purposefully... What does it mean? From a high-level point of view, white is giving up control of the center by playing on the flank - the best way to counter that is for you to play in the center. Pawn advances in the center and piece activity will get you there. For example, if white castles king side and starts pushing h-pawn, that will make g3 pawn weak: you can try to control the a7 - f1 dark diagonal to launch an attack.






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                  up vote
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                  Play purposefully... What does it mean? From a high-level point of view, white is giving up control of the center by playing on the flank - the best way to counter that is for you to play in the center. Pawn advances in the center and piece activity will get you there. For example, if white castles king side and starts pushing h-pawn, that will make g3 pawn weak: you can try to control the a7 - f1 dark diagonal to launch an attack.






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                  Play purposefully... What does it mean? From a high-level point of view, white is giving up control of the center by playing on the flank - the best way to counter that is for you to play in the center. Pawn advances in the center and piece activity will get you there. For example, if white castles king side and starts pushing h-pawn, that will make g3 pawn weak: you can try to control the a7 - f1 dark diagonal to launch an attack.







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                  answered Nov 20 at 16:32









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                      If you like some attacking dynamic response, you could try to form a reverse Sicilian like system with 1...c5 and transpose to a Reverse Saemisch attack, if he doesn't do an early e4.



                       [title "Reverse Saemisch"]
                      [fen "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
                      1. g3 c5 2. Bg2 d5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. O-O e5 5. d3 f6


                      Though Black is a tempo short as opposed to the usual Saemisch attack, the position is still equal and White has to play extremely sharp.



                      You can try castling long (if White doesn't generate enough queenside counter play) and kingside pawn storm.






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                        up vote
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                        If you like some attacking dynamic response, you could try to form a reverse Sicilian like system with 1...c5 and transpose to a Reverse Saemisch attack, if he doesn't do an early e4.



                         [title "Reverse Saemisch"]
                        [fen "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
                        1. g3 c5 2. Bg2 d5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. O-O e5 5. d3 f6


                        Though Black is a tempo short as opposed to the usual Saemisch attack, the position is still equal and White has to play extremely sharp.



                        You can try castling long (if White doesn't generate enough queenside counter play) and kingside pawn storm.






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                          If you like some attacking dynamic response, you could try to form a reverse Sicilian like system with 1...c5 and transpose to a Reverse Saemisch attack, if he doesn't do an early e4.



                           [title "Reverse Saemisch"]
                          [fen "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
                          1. g3 c5 2. Bg2 d5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. O-O e5 5. d3 f6


                          Though Black is a tempo short as opposed to the usual Saemisch attack, the position is still equal and White has to play extremely sharp.



                          You can try castling long (if White doesn't generate enough queenside counter play) and kingside pawn storm.






                          share|improve this answer












                          If you like some attacking dynamic response, you could try to form a reverse Sicilian like system with 1...c5 and transpose to a Reverse Saemisch attack, if he doesn't do an early e4.



                           [title "Reverse Saemisch"]
                          [fen "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
                          1. g3 c5 2. Bg2 d5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. O-O e5 5. d3 f6


                          Though Black is a tempo short as opposed to the usual Saemisch attack, the position is still equal and White has to play extremely sharp.



                          You can try castling long (if White doesn't generate enough queenside counter play) and kingside pawn storm.







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