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Prove



(i) $ xy^{3} leq frac{1}{4}x^{4} + frac{3}{4}y^{4} $



and



(ii) $ xy^{3} + x^{3}y leq x^{4} + y^{4}$.



Now then, I went about putting both sides of $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$
to the power of 4 and it left me with



$$-x^{3}y leq frac{1}{4}x^{4} + frac{1}{4}y^{4} + xy^{3} + frac{5}{2}x^{2}y^{2}. $$



Curiously squaring and multiplying $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$ I've tried merging the results with my other inequality a few times to no avail - I just can't seem to get the signs right and nor can I seem to make the coefficients of the $x^{4}$ and $y^{4}$ different, as they are in (i). I feel like there's something I'm missing. Does anyone see a nice way about this problem?










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  • Surely, if you get the first, you can get the second. However, is your version of AM-GM limited to just $sqrt{xy}leq1/2(x+y)$?
    – Robert Wolfe
    Nov 30 at 16:41










  • Yes, the book only allows us to assume $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$. The thing is, I can't get the first...
    – Francis
    Nov 30 at 16:43






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    This could be killed in a single line with Young's Inequality or the full power of the AM-GM inequality. However, since you're limited to just this special case, this will require more care. You'll probably either want to take an algebraic approach and find a polynomial that is definitely positive (like how one gets your inequality from $(x-y)^2geq 0$) or you'll want to take advantage of the fact that your inequality is most helpful when $x$ and $y$ are close together.
    – Robert Wolfe
    Nov 30 at 16:57












  • @RobertWolfe, thank you - but I'm not sure I see how $x$ and $y$ being close together could be helpful to me?
    – Francis
    Nov 30 at 17:01

















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The questions has two parts:



Prove



(i) $ xy^{3} leq frac{1}{4}x^{4} + frac{3}{4}y^{4} $



and



(ii) $ xy^{3} + x^{3}y leq x^{4} + y^{4}$.



Now then, I went about putting both sides of $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$
to the power of 4 and it left me with



$$-x^{3}y leq frac{1}{4}x^{4} + frac{1}{4}y^{4} + xy^{3} + frac{5}{2}x^{2}y^{2}. $$



Curiously squaring and multiplying $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$ I've tried merging the results with my other inequality a few times to no avail - I just can't seem to get the signs right and nor can I seem to make the coefficients of the $x^{4}$ and $y^{4}$ different, as they are in (i). I feel like there's something I'm missing. Does anyone see a nice way about this problem?










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  • Surely, if you get the first, you can get the second. However, is your version of AM-GM limited to just $sqrt{xy}leq1/2(x+y)$?
    – Robert Wolfe
    Nov 30 at 16:41










  • Yes, the book only allows us to assume $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$. The thing is, I can't get the first...
    – Francis
    Nov 30 at 16:43






  • 1




    This could be killed in a single line with Young's Inequality or the full power of the AM-GM inequality. However, since you're limited to just this special case, this will require more care. You'll probably either want to take an algebraic approach and find a polynomial that is definitely positive (like how one gets your inequality from $(x-y)^2geq 0$) or you'll want to take advantage of the fact that your inequality is most helpful when $x$ and $y$ are close together.
    – Robert Wolfe
    Nov 30 at 16:57












  • @RobertWolfe, thank you - but I'm not sure I see how $x$ and $y$ being close together could be helpful to me?
    – Francis
    Nov 30 at 17:01















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2
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up vote
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down vote

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The questions has two parts:



Prove



(i) $ xy^{3} leq frac{1}{4}x^{4} + frac{3}{4}y^{4} $



and



(ii) $ xy^{3} + x^{3}y leq x^{4} + y^{4}$.



Now then, I went about putting both sides of $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$
to the power of 4 and it left me with



$$-x^{3}y leq frac{1}{4}x^{4} + frac{1}{4}y^{4} + xy^{3} + frac{5}{2}x^{2}y^{2}. $$



Curiously squaring and multiplying $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$ I've tried merging the results with my other inequality a few times to no avail - I just can't seem to get the signs right and nor can I seem to make the coefficients of the $x^{4}$ and $y^{4}$ different, as they are in (i). I feel like there's something I'm missing. Does anyone see a nice way about this problem?










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The questions has two parts:



Prove



(i) $ xy^{3} leq frac{1}{4}x^{4} + frac{3}{4}y^{4} $



and



(ii) $ xy^{3} + x^{3}y leq x^{4} + y^{4}$.



Now then, I went about putting both sides of $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$
to the power of 4 and it left me with



$$-x^{3}y leq frac{1}{4}x^{4} + frac{1}{4}y^{4} + xy^{3} + frac{5}{2}x^{2}y^{2}. $$



Curiously squaring and multiplying $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$ I've tried merging the results with my other inequality a few times to no avail - I just can't seem to get the signs right and nor can I seem to make the coefficients of the $x^{4}$ and $y^{4}$ different, as they are in (i). I feel like there's something I'm missing. Does anyone see a nice way about this problem?







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  • Surely, if you get the first, you can get the second. However, is your version of AM-GM limited to just $sqrt{xy}leq1/2(x+y)$?
    – Robert Wolfe
    Nov 30 at 16:41










  • Yes, the book only allows us to assume $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$. The thing is, I can't get the first...
    – Francis
    Nov 30 at 16:43






  • 1




    This could be killed in a single line with Young's Inequality or the full power of the AM-GM inequality. However, since you're limited to just this special case, this will require more care. You'll probably either want to take an algebraic approach and find a polynomial that is definitely positive (like how one gets your inequality from $(x-y)^2geq 0$) or you'll want to take advantage of the fact that your inequality is most helpful when $x$ and $y$ are close together.
    – Robert Wolfe
    Nov 30 at 16:57












  • @RobertWolfe, thank you - but I'm not sure I see how $x$ and $y$ being close together could be helpful to me?
    – Francis
    Nov 30 at 17:01




















  • Surely, if you get the first, you can get the second. However, is your version of AM-GM limited to just $sqrt{xy}leq1/2(x+y)$?
    – Robert Wolfe
    Nov 30 at 16:41










  • Yes, the book only allows us to assume $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$. The thing is, I can't get the first...
    – Francis
    Nov 30 at 16:43






  • 1




    This could be killed in a single line with Young's Inequality or the full power of the AM-GM inequality. However, since you're limited to just this special case, this will require more care. You'll probably either want to take an algebraic approach and find a polynomial that is definitely positive (like how one gets your inequality from $(x-y)^2geq 0$) or you'll want to take advantage of the fact that your inequality is most helpful when $x$ and $y$ are close together.
    – Robert Wolfe
    Nov 30 at 16:57












  • @RobertWolfe, thank you - but I'm not sure I see how $x$ and $y$ being close together could be helpful to me?
    – Francis
    Nov 30 at 17:01


















Surely, if you get the first, you can get the second. However, is your version of AM-GM limited to just $sqrt{xy}leq1/2(x+y)$?
– Robert Wolfe
Nov 30 at 16:41




Surely, if you get the first, you can get the second. However, is your version of AM-GM limited to just $sqrt{xy}leq1/2(x+y)$?
– Robert Wolfe
Nov 30 at 16:41












Yes, the book only allows us to assume $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$. The thing is, I can't get the first...
– Francis
Nov 30 at 16:43




Yes, the book only allows us to assume $sqrt{xy} leq frac{1}{2}(x+y)$. The thing is, I can't get the first...
– Francis
Nov 30 at 16:43




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This could be killed in a single line with Young's Inequality or the full power of the AM-GM inequality. However, since you're limited to just this special case, this will require more care. You'll probably either want to take an algebraic approach and find a polynomial that is definitely positive (like how one gets your inequality from $(x-y)^2geq 0$) or you'll want to take advantage of the fact that your inequality is most helpful when $x$ and $y$ are close together.
– Robert Wolfe
Nov 30 at 16:57






This could be killed in a single line with Young's Inequality or the full power of the AM-GM inequality. However, since you're limited to just this special case, this will require more care. You'll probably either want to take an algebraic approach and find a polynomial that is definitely positive (like how one gets your inequality from $(x-y)^2geq 0$) or you'll want to take advantage of the fact that your inequality is most helpful when $x$ and $y$ are close together.
– Robert Wolfe
Nov 30 at 16:57














@RobertWolfe, thank you - but I'm not sure I see how $x$ and $y$ being close together could be helpful to me?
– Francis
Nov 30 at 17:01






@RobertWolfe, thank you - but I'm not sure I see how $x$ and $y$ being close together could be helpful to me?
– Francis
Nov 30 at 17:01












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Because by AM-GM $$3y^4+x^4geq4sqrt[4]{left(y^4right)^3x^4}=4|xy^3|geq4xy^3$$ and
$$x^4+y^4-x^3y-xy^3=(x-y)(x^3-y^3)=(x-y)^2(x^2+xy+y^2)geq$$
$$geq(x-y)^2left(2sqrt{x^2y^2}+xyright)=(x-y)^2left(2|xy|+xyright)geq0.$$






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    (i) follows from Young's inequality for $p = 4$ and $q = frac43$:



    $$xy^3 le |x||y|^3 le frac{|x|^p}{p} + frac{left(|y|^3right)^q}q = frac{|x|^4}4 + frac{left(|y|^3right)^{4/3}}{4/3} = frac{|x|^4+3|y|^4}4 = frac{x^4+3y^4}4$$



    (ii) follows from (i):



    $$xy^3 + x^3y le frac{x^4+3y^4}4 + frac{3x^4+y^4}4 = x^4+y^4$$






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    • @MichaelRozenberg Good catch, thanks. Corrected now.
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    Because by AM-GM $$3y^4+x^4geq4sqrt[4]{left(y^4right)^3x^4}=4|xy^3|geq4xy^3$$ and
    $$x^4+y^4-x^3y-xy^3=(x-y)(x^3-y^3)=(x-y)^2(x^2+xy+y^2)geq$$
    $$geq(x-y)^2left(2sqrt{x^2y^2}+xyright)=(x-y)^2left(2|xy|+xyright)geq0.$$






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      Because by AM-GM $$3y^4+x^4geq4sqrt[4]{left(y^4right)^3x^4}=4|xy^3|geq4xy^3$$ and
      $$x^4+y^4-x^3y-xy^3=(x-y)(x^3-y^3)=(x-y)^2(x^2+xy+y^2)geq$$
      $$geq(x-y)^2left(2sqrt{x^2y^2}+xyright)=(x-y)^2left(2|xy|+xyright)geq0.$$






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        Because by AM-GM $$3y^4+x^4geq4sqrt[4]{left(y^4right)^3x^4}=4|xy^3|geq4xy^3$$ and
        $$x^4+y^4-x^3y-xy^3=(x-y)(x^3-y^3)=(x-y)^2(x^2+xy+y^2)geq$$
        $$geq(x-y)^2left(2sqrt{x^2y^2}+xyright)=(x-y)^2left(2|xy|+xyright)geq0.$$






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        Because by AM-GM $$3y^4+x^4geq4sqrt[4]{left(y^4right)^3x^4}=4|xy^3|geq4xy^3$$ and
        $$x^4+y^4-x^3y-xy^3=(x-y)(x^3-y^3)=(x-y)^2(x^2+xy+y^2)geq$$
        $$geq(x-y)^2left(2sqrt{x^2y^2}+xyright)=(x-y)^2left(2|xy|+xyright)geq0.$$







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            (i) follows from Young's inequality for $p = 4$ and $q = frac43$:



            $$xy^3 le |x||y|^3 le frac{|x|^p}{p} + frac{left(|y|^3right)^q}q = frac{|x|^4}4 + frac{left(|y|^3right)^{4/3}}{4/3} = frac{|x|^4+3|y|^4}4 = frac{x^4+3y^4}4$$



            (ii) follows from (i):



            $$xy^3 + x^3y le frac{x^4+3y^4}4 + frac{3x^4+y^4}4 = x^4+y^4$$






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            • @MichaelRozenberg Good catch, thanks. Corrected now.
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            (i) follows from Young's inequality for $p = 4$ and $q = frac43$:



            $$xy^3 le |x||y|^3 le frac{|x|^p}{p} + frac{left(|y|^3right)^q}q = frac{|x|^4}4 + frac{left(|y|^3right)^{4/3}}{4/3} = frac{|x|^4+3|y|^4}4 = frac{x^4+3y^4}4$$



            (ii) follows from (i):



            $$xy^3 + x^3y le frac{x^4+3y^4}4 + frac{3x^4+y^4}4 = x^4+y^4$$






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            • @MichaelRozenberg Good catch, thanks. Corrected now.
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              Nov 30 at 17:06













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            (i) follows from Young's inequality for $p = 4$ and $q = frac43$:



            $$xy^3 le |x||y|^3 le frac{|x|^p}{p} + frac{left(|y|^3right)^q}q = frac{|x|^4}4 + frac{left(|y|^3right)^{4/3}}{4/3} = frac{|x|^4+3|y|^4}4 = frac{x^4+3y^4}4$$



            (ii) follows from (i):



            $$xy^3 + x^3y le frac{x^4+3y^4}4 + frac{3x^4+y^4}4 = x^4+y^4$$






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            (i) follows from Young's inequality for $p = 4$ and $q = frac43$:



            $$xy^3 le |x||y|^3 le frac{|x|^p}{p} + frac{left(|y|^3right)^q}q = frac{|x|^4}4 + frac{left(|y|^3right)^{4/3}}{4/3} = frac{|x|^4+3|y|^4}4 = frac{x^4+3y^4}4$$



            (ii) follows from (i):



            $$xy^3 + x^3y le frac{x^4+3y^4}4 + frac{3x^4+y^4}4 = x^4+y^4$$







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            • @MichaelRozenberg Good catch, thanks. Corrected now.
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            • @MichaelRozenberg Good catch, thanks. Corrected now.
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            @MichaelRozenberg Good catch, thanks. Corrected now.
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            @MichaelRozenberg Good catch, thanks. Corrected now.
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