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Let $V$ be a vector space and $v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4,w in V$



If $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2}$ - I believe this to be false, however I cannot come up with an appropriate counter-example, what would be a suitable counter-example?



If $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ - I believe this to be true but what is an appropriate proof to show this is true?










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    Let $V$ be a vector space and $v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4,w in V$



    If $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2}$ - I believe this to be false, however I cannot come up with an appropriate counter-example, what would be a suitable counter-example?



    If $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ - I believe this to be true but what is an appropriate proof to show this is true?










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      Let $V$ be a vector space and $v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4,w in V$



      If $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2}$ - I believe this to be false, however I cannot come up with an appropriate counter-example, what would be a suitable counter-example?



      If $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ - I believe this to be true but what is an appropriate proof to show this is true?










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      Let $V$ be a vector space and $v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4,w in V$



      If $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2}$ - I believe this to be false, however I cannot come up with an appropriate counter-example, what would be a suitable counter-example?



      If $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $w in text{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ - I believe this to be true but what is an appropriate proof to show this is true?







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          Yes you are right, we have that



          $$ w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} implies w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2}$$



          only if $v_3=av_1+bv_2$.






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            1.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2}$ is FALSE.



            Take, for example, $v_1=(1,0,0)$, $v_2=(0,1,0)$ and $w=v_3=(0,0,1)$. Or just take any two vectors $v_1,v_2$ and $w=v_3$ independent to them.



            2.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ is TRUE.



            If $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} $,then $w=alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 =
            alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 +0cdot v_4$
            , so $win{rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$.






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              1. What about $v_3$? (Given ofcourse that $v_1,v_2,v_3$ are linearly independent)


              2. If $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{1}$$ You can also write $(1)$ as $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{2}+0v_4$$ so $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$







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                Yes you are right, we have that



                $$ w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} implies w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2}$$



                only if $v_3=av_1+bv_2$.






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                  Yes you are right, we have that



                  $$ w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} implies w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2}$$



                  only if $v_3=av_1+bv_2$.






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                    Yes you are right, we have that



                    $$ w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} implies w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2}$$



                    only if $v_3=av_1+bv_2$.






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                    Yes you are right, we have that



                    $$ w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} implies w ∈ operatorname{span}{v_1,v_2}$$



                    only if $v_3=av_1+bv_2$.







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                        1.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2}$ is FALSE.



                        Take, for example, $v_1=(1,0,0)$, $v_2=(0,1,0)$ and $w=v_3=(0,0,1)$. Or just take any two vectors $v_1,v_2$ and $w=v_3$ independent to them.



                        2.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ is TRUE.



                        If $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} $,then $w=alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 =
                        alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 +0cdot v_4$
                        , so $win{rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$.






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                          1.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2}$ is FALSE.



                          Take, for example, $v_1=(1,0,0)$, $v_2=(0,1,0)$ and $w=v_3=(0,0,1)$. Or just take any two vectors $v_1,v_2$ and $w=v_3$ independent to them.



                          2.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ is TRUE.



                          If $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} $,then $w=alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 =
                          alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 +0cdot v_4$
                          , so $win{rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$.






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                            1.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2}$ is FALSE.



                            Take, for example, $v_1=(1,0,0)$, $v_2=(0,1,0)$ and $w=v_3=(0,0,1)$. Or just take any two vectors $v_1,v_2$ and $w=v_3$ independent to them.



                            2.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ is TRUE.



                            If $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} $,then $w=alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 =
                            alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 +0cdot v_4$
                            , so $win{rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$.






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                            1.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2}$ is FALSE.



                            Take, for example, $v_1=(1,0,0)$, $v_2=(0,1,0)$ and $w=v_3=(0,0,1)$. Or just take any two vectors $v_1,v_2$ and $w=v_3$ independent to them.



                            2.- $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} Rightarrow win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$ is TRUE.



                            If $win {rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3} $,then $w=alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 =
                            alpha_1v_1+alpha_2v_2+alpha_3v_3 +0cdot v_4$
                            , so $win{rm span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$.







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                                1. What about $v_3$? (Given ofcourse that $v_1,v_2,v_3$ are linearly independent)


                                2. If $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{1}$$ You can also write $(1)$ as $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{2}+0v_4$$ so $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$







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                                  1. What about $v_3$? (Given ofcourse that $v_1,v_2,v_3$ are linearly independent)


                                  2. If $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{1}$$ You can also write $(1)$ as $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{2}+0v_4$$ so $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$







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                                    1. What about $v_3$? (Given ofcourse that $v_1,v_2,v_3$ are linearly independent)


                                    2. If $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{1}$$ You can also write $(1)$ as $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{2}+0v_4$$ so $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$







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                                    1. What about $v_3$? (Given ofcourse that $v_1,v_2,v_3$ are linearly independent)


                                    2. If $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3}$, then $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{1}$$ You can also write $(1)$ as $$w=a_1v_1+a_2v_2+a_3v_3tag{2}+0v_4$$ so $wintext{span}{v_1,v_2,v_3,v_4}$








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