Derivatives of functions composition: $lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$
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I have to calculate the folowing:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function $f(a)$ with respect to $x$, that is
$$f'(a) = lim_{xrightarrow a} frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}$$
After some thinking I found out we could define two function $g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$ and $f(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}$ edit: this should actually be $h(x)$
Then $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$, and $h(8) = 3\$ and finally: $h(g(8)) = 2$
If $f(x)$ is the first function (at the beginning), I could now rewrite it's limit as:
$$
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}
$$ (1)
My question is:
If we note $c(x) = (h(g(x)))$, Does it make sense to write $h(x) rightarrow h(8)$ under the $lim$ symbol instead of $xrightarrow 8$? Is the above limit equal to the derivative of $c$ with respect to $h$? Does this even make sense since $h$ is applied "after" $g$?
If I just apply the chain rule:
$$frac{dc}{dx} = frac{dc}{dh}frac{dh}{dx} Leftrightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{dc}{dx}frac{dx}{dh}$$
then I find a wrong limit:
We are looking for $frac{dc}{dh}$. So we can calculate
$$
frac{dc}{dx} = frac{1}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
frac{dh}{dx} = frac{3}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
Rightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{1}{3}
$$
So the limit should be one third, but it actually turns out to be $frac{3}{4}$.
Why can't we write the limit $(1)$ as $frac{dc}{dh}$, and more importantly, how can I get the correct limit using the definition of the derivative?
PS: I'm not sure if it's even possible because the exercise doesn't say which method to use (I know it's possible using the factorization of $a^3 - b^3$). I just find it would be really cool to solve the exercise this way
Edit
I have made a mistake on the derivative of $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$. I used the chain rule $c'(x) = h'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$ and that led to a mistake. I should simply have derived $c(x) = root{3}of{x}$. So the actual derivative is $frac{1}{3root{3}of{x^2}}$. This leads to the correct limit, as showed in farruhota's answer.
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I have to calculate the folowing:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function $f(a)$ with respect to $x$, that is
$$f'(a) = lim_{xrightarrow a} frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}$$
After some thinking I found out we could define two function $g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$ and $f(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}$ edit: this should actually be $h(x)$
Then $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$, and $h(8) = 3\$ and finally: $h(g(8)) = 2$
If $f(x)$ is the first function (at the beginning), I could now rewrite it's limit as:
$$
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}
$$ (1)
My question is:
If we note $c(x) = (h(g(x)))$, Does it make sense to write $h(x) rightarrow h(8)$ under the $lim$ symbol instead of $xrightarrow 8$? Is the above limit equal to the derivative of $c$ with respect to $h$? Does this even make sense since $h$ is applied "after" $g$?
If I just apply the chain rule:
$$frac{dc}{dx} = frac{dc}{dh}frac{dh}{dx} Leftrightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{dc}{dx}frac{dx}{dh}$$
then I find a wrong limit:
We are looking for $frac{dc}{dh}$. So we can calculate
$$
frac{dc}{dx} = frac{1}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
frac{dh}{dx} = frac{3}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
Rightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{1}{3}
$$
So the limit should be one third, but it actually turns out to be $frac{3}{4}$.
Why can't we write the limit $(1)$ as $frac{dc}{dh}$, and more importantly, how can I get the correct limit using the definition of the derivative?
PS: I'm not sure if it's even possible because the exercise doesn't say which method to use (I know it's possible using the factorization of $a^3 - b^3$). I just find it would be really cool to solve the exercise this way
Edit
I have made a mistake on the derivative of $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$. I used the chain rule $c'(x) = h'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$ and that led to a mistake. I should simply have derived $c(x) = root{3}of{x}$. So the actual derivative is $frac{1}{3root{3}of{x^2}}$. This leads to the correct limit, as showed in farruhota's answer.
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I have to calculate the folowing:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function $f(a)$ with respect to $x$, that is
$$f'(a) = lim_{xrightarrow a} frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}$$
After some thinking I found out we could define two function $g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$ and $f(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}$ edit: this should actually be $h(x)$
Then $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$, and $h(8) = 3\$ and finally: $h(g(8)) = 2$
If $f(x)$ is the first function (at the beginning), I could now rewrite it's limit as:
$$
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}
$$ (1)
My question is:
If we note $c(x) = (h(g(x)))$, Does it make sense to write $h(x) rightarrow h(8)$ under the $lim$ symbol instead of $xrightarrow 8$? Is the above limit equal to the derivative of $c$ with respect to $h$? Does this even make sense since $h$ is applied "after" $g$?
If I just apply the chain rule:
$$frac{dc}{dx} = frac{dc}{dh}frac{dh}{dx} Leftrightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{dc}{dx}frac{dx}{dh}$$
then I find a wrong limit:
We are looking for $frac{dc}{dh}$. So we can calculate
$$
frac{dc}{dx} = frac{1}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
frac{dh}{dx} = frac{3}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
Rightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{1}{3}
$$
So the limit should be one third, but it actually turns out to be $frac{3}{4}$.
Why can't we write the limit $(1)$ as $frac{dc}{dh}$, and more importantly, how can I get the correct limit using the definition of the derivative?
PS: I'm not sure if it's even possible because the exercise doesn't say which method to use (I know it's possible using the factorization of $a^3 - b^3$). I just find it would be really cool to solve the exercise this way
Edit
I have made a mistake on the derivative of $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$. I used the chain rule $c'(x) = h'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$ and that led to a mistake. I should simply have derived $c(x) = root{3}of{x}$. So the actual derivative is $frac{1}{3root{3}of{x^2}}$. This leads to the correct limit, as showed in farruhota's answer.
limits derivatives chain-rule
I have to calculate the folowing:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function $f(a)$ with respect to $x$, that is
$$f'(a) = lim_{xrightarrow a} frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}$$
After some thinking I found out we could define two function $g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$ and $f(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}$ edit: this should actually be $h(x)$
Then $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$, and $h(8) = 3\$ and finally: $h(g(8)) = 2$
If $f(x)$ is the first function (at the beginning), I could now rewrite it's limit as:
$$
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}
$$ (1)
My question is:
If we note $c(x) = (h(g(x)))$, Does it make sense to write $h(x) rightarrow h(8)$ under the $lim$ symbol instead of $xrightarrow 8$? Is the above limit equal to the derivative of $c$ with respect to $h$? Does this even make sense since $h$ is applied "after" $g$?
If I just apply the chain rule:
$$frac{dc}{dx} = frac{dc}{dh}frac{dh}{dx} Leftrightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{dc}{dx}frac{dx}{dh}$$
then I find a wrong limit:
We are looking for $frac{dc}{dh}$. So we can calculate
$$
frac{dc}{dx} = frac{1}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
frac{dh}{dx} = frac{3}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
Rightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{1}{3}
$$
So the limit should be one third, but it actually turns out to be $frac{3}{4}$.
Why can't we write the limit $(1)$ as $frac{dc}{dh}$, and more importantly, how can I get the correct limit using the definition of the derivative?
PS: I'm not sure if it's even possible because the exercise doesn't say which method to use (I know it's possible using the factorization of $a^3 - b^3$). I just find it would be really cool to solve the exercise this way
Edit
I have made a mistake on the derivative of $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$. I used the chain rule $c'(x) = h'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$ and that led to a mistake. I should simply have derived $c(x) = root{3}of{x}$. So the actual derivative is $frac{1}{3root{3}of{x^2}}$. This leads to the correct limit, as showed in farruhota's answer.
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You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$
There are two problems in your solution:
1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.
2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
(sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$
I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:14
See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:26
Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:56
1
You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:59
Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 12:03
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We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
=lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.
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Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)
"I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
– amWhy
Nov 16 at 21:19
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That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
– Andrei
Nov 16 at 21:21
@Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:15
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You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$
There are two problems in your solution:
1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.
2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
(sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$
I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:14
See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:26
Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:56
1
You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:59
Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 12:03
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You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$
There are two problems in your solution:
1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.
2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
(sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$
I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:14
See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:26
Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:56
1
You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:59
Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 12:03
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up vote
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You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$
There are two problems in your solution:
1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.
2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
(sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$
You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$
There are two problems in your solution:
1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.
2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
(sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$
answered Nov 17 at 7:48
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I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:14
See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:26
Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:56
1
You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:59
Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 12:03
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I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:14
See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:26
Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:56
1
You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:59
Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 12:03
I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:14
I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:14
See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:26
See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:26
Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:56
Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:56
1
1
You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:59
You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
– farruhota
Nov 17 at 11:59
Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 12:03
Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 12:03
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We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
=lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.
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We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
=lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.
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We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
=lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.
We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that
$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
=lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$
and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.
answered Nov 16 at 21:07
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Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)
"I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
– amWhy
Nov 16 at 21:19
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That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
– Andrei
Nov 16 at 21:21
@Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
– Pascal Nardi
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Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)
"I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
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That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
– Andrei
Nov 16 at 21:21
@Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:15
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Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)
Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)
answered Nov 16 at 21:08
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"I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
– amWhy
Nov 16 at 21:19
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That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
– Andrei
Nov 16 at 21:21
@Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:15
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"I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
– amWhy
Nov 16 at 21:19
1
That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
– Andrei
Nov 16 at 21:21
@Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:15
"I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
– amWhy
Nov 16 at 21:19
"I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
– amWhy
Nov 16 at 21:19
1
1
That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
– Andrei
Nov 16 at 21:21
That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
– Andrei
Nov 16 at 21:21
@Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:15
@Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
– Pascal Nardi
Nov 17 at 11:15
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