Derivatives of functions composition: $lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$











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I have to calculate the folowing:



$$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function $f(a)$ with respect to $x$, that is



$$f'(a) = lim_{xrightarrow a} frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}$$



After some thinking I found out we could define two function $g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$ and $f(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}$ edit: this should actually be $h(x)$



Then $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$, and $h(8) = 3\$ and finally: $h(g(8)) = 2$



If $f(x)$ is the first function (at the beginning), I could now rewrite it's limit as:



$$
lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}
$$
(1)





My question is:



If we note $c(x) = (h(g(x)))$, Does it make sense to write $h(x) rightarrow h(8)$ under the $lim$ symbol instead of $xrightarrow 8$? Is the above limit equal to the derivative of $c$ with respect to $h$? Does this even make sense since $h$ is applied "after" $g$?





If I just apply the chain rule:



$$frac{dc}{dx} = frac{dc}{dh}frac{dh}{dx} Leftrightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{dc}{dx}frac{dx}{dh}$$



then I find a wrong limit:



We are looking for $frac{dc}{dh}$. So we can calculate



$$
frac{dc}{dx} = frac{1}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
frac{dh}{dx} = frac{3}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
Rightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{1}{3}
$$



So the limit should be one third, but it actually turns out to be $frac{3}{4}$.



Why can't we write the limit $(1)$ as $frac{dc}{dh}$, and more importantly, how can I get the correct limit using the definition of the derivative?





PS: I'm not sure if it's even possible because the exercise doesn't say which method to use (I know it's possible using the factorization of $a^3 - b^3$). I just find it would be really cool to solve the exercise this way





Edit



I have made a mistake on the derivative of $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$. I used the chain rule $c'(x) = h'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$ and that led to a mistake. I should simply have derived $c(x) = root{3}of{x}$. So the actual derivative is $frac{1}{3root{3}of{x^2}}$. This leads to the correct limit, as showed in farruhota's answer.










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    I have to calculate the folowing:



    $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



    I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function $f(a)$ with respect to $x$, that is



    $$f'(a) = lim_{xrightarrow a} frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}$$



    After some thinking I found out we could define two function $g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$ and $f(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}$ edit: this should actually be $h(x)$



    Then $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$, and $h(8) = 3\$ and finally: $h(g(8)) = 2$



    If $f(x)$ is the first function (at the beginning), I could now rewrite it's limit as:



    $$
    lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}
    $$
    (1)





    My question is:



    If we note $c(x) = (h(g(x)))$, Does it make sense to write $h(x) rightarrow h(8)$ under the $lim$ symbol instead of $xrightarrow 8$? Is the above limit equal to the derivative of $c$ with respect to $h$? Does this even make sense since $h$ is applied "after" $g$?





    If I just apply the chain rule:



    $$frac{dc}{dx} = frac{dc}{dh}frac{dh}{dx} Leftrightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{dc}{dx}frac{dx}{dh}$$



    then I find a wrong limit:



    We are looking for $frac{dc}{dh}$. So we can calculate



    $$
    frac{dc}{dx} = frac{1}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
    frac{dh}{dx} = frac{3}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
    Rightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{1}{3}
    $$



    So the limit should be one third, but it actually turns out to be $frac{3}{4}$.



    Why can't we write the limit $(1)$ as $frac{dc}{dh}$, and more importantly, how can I get the correct limit using the definition of the derivative?





    PS: I'm not sure if it's even possible because the exercise doesn't say which method to use (I know it's possible using the factorization of $a^3 - b^3$). I just find it would be really cool to solve the exercise this way





    Edit



    I have made a mistake on the derivative of $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$. I used the chain rule $c'(x) = h'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$ and that led to a mistake. I should simply have derived $c(x) = root{3}of{x}$. So the actual derivative is $frac{1}{3root{3}of{x^2}}$. This leads to the correct limit, as showed in farruhota's answer.










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      I have to calculate the folowing:



      $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



      I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function $f(a)$ with respect to $x$, that is



      $$f'(a) = lim_{xrightarrow a} frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}$$



      After some thinking I found out we could define two function $g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$ and $f(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}$ edit: this should actually be $h(x)$



      Then $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$, and $h(8) = 3\$ and finally: $h(g(8)) = 2$



      If $f(x)$ is the first function (at the beginning), I could now rewrite it's limit as:



      $$
      lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}
      $$
      (1)





      My question is:



      If we note $c(x) = (h(g(x)))$, Does it make sense to write $h(x) rightarrow h(8)$ under the $lim$ symbol instead of $xrightarrow 8$? Is the above limit equal to the derivative of $c$ with respect to $h$? Does this even make sense since $h$ is applied "after" $g$?





      If I just apply the chain rule:



      $$frac{dc}{dx} = frac{dc}{dh}frac{dh}{dx} Leftrightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{dc}{dx}frac{dx}{dh}$$



      then I find a wrong limit:



      We are looking for $frac{dc}{dh}$. So we can calculate



      $$
      frac{dc}{dx} = frac{1}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
      frac{dh}{dx} = frac{3}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
      Rightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{1}{3}
      $$



      So the limit should be one third, but it actually turns out to be $frac{3}{4}$.



      Why can't we write the limit $(1)$ as $frac{dc}{dh}$, and more importantly, how can I get the correct limit using the definition of the derivative?





      PS: I'm not sure if it's even possible because the exercise doesn't say which method to use (I know it's possible using the factorization of $a^3 - b^3$). I just find it would be really cool to solve the exercise this way





      Edit



      I have made a mistake on the derivative of $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$. I used the chain rule $c'(x) = h'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$ and that led to a mistake. I should simply have derived $c(x) = root{3}of{x}$. So the actual derivative is $frac{1}{3root{3}of{x^2}}$. This leads to the correct limit, as showed in farruhota's answer.










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      I have to calculate the folowing:



      $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



      I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function $f(a)$ with respect to $x$, that is



      $$f'(a) = lim_{xrightarrow a} frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}$$



      After some thinking I found out we could define two function $g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$ and $f(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}$ edit: this should actually be $h(x)$



      Then $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$, and $h(8) = 3\$ and finally: $h(g(8)) = 2$



      If $f(x)$ is the first function (at the beginning), I could now rewrite it's limit as:



      $$
      lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}
      $$
      (1)





      My question is:



      If we note $c(x) = (h(g(x)))$, Does it make sense to write $h(x) rightarrow h(8)$ under the $lim$ symbol instead of $xrightarrow 8$? Is the above limit equal to the derivative of $c$ with respect to $h$? Does this even make sense since $h$ is applied "after" $g$?





      If I just apply the chain rule:



      $$frac{dc}{dx} = frac{dc}{dh}frac{dh}{dx} Leftrightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{dc}{dx}frac{dx}{dh}$$



      then I find a wrong limit:



      We are looking for $frac{dc}{dh}$. So we can calculate



      $$
      frac{dc}{dx} = frac{1}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
      frac{dh}{dx} = frac{3}{3root{3}of{(3x+3)^2}} \
      Rightarrow frac{dc}{dh} = frac{1}{3}
      $$



      So the limit should be one third, but it actually turns out to be $frac{3}{4}$.



      Why can't we write the limit $(1)$ as $frac{dc}{dh}$, and more importantly, how can I get the correct limit using the definition of the derivative?





      PS: I'm not sure if it's even possible because the exercise doesn't say which method to use (I know it's possible using the factorization of $a^3 - b^3$). I just find it would be really cool to solve the exercise this way





      Edit



      I have made a mistake on the derivative of $h(g(x)) = root{3}of{x}$. I used the chain rule $c'(x) = h'(g(x))cdot g'(x)$ and that led to a mistake. I should simply have derived $c(x) = root{3}of{x}$. So the actual derivative is $frac{1}{3root{3}of{x^2}}$. This leads to the correct limit, as showed in farruhota's answer.







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          You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
          $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$



          There are two problems in your solution:



          1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.



          2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
          $$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
          lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
          (sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
          frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
          frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$






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          • I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
            – Pascal Nardi
            Nov 17 at 11:14










          • See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
            – farruhota
            Nov 17 at 11:26










          • Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
            – Pascal Nardi
            Nov 17 at 11:56






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            You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
            – farruhota
            Nov 17 at 11:59










          • Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
            – Pascal Nardi
            Nov 17 at 12:03


















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          We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that



          $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
          =lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



          and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.






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            Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
            You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)






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            • "I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
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              That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
              – Andrei
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            • @Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:15











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            You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$



            There are two problems in your solution:



            1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.



            2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
            lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
            (sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
            frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
            frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$






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            • I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:14










            • See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
              – farruhota
              Nov 17 at 11:26










            • Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:56






            • 1




              You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
              – farruhota
              Nov 17 at 11:59










            • Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 12:03















            up vote
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            You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$



            There are two problems in your solution:



            1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.



            2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
            lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
            (sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
            frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
            frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$






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            • I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:14










            • See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
              – farruhota
              Nov 17 at 11:26










            • Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:56






            • 1




              You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
              – farruhota
              Nov 17 at 11:59










            • Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 12:03













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            up vote
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            You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$



            There are two problems in your solution:



            1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.



            2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
            lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
            (sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
            frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
            frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$






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            You want to calculate the limit with the help of a composite function:
            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}.$$



            There are two problems in your solution:



            1) You actually implied $f(x)equiv h(x)$. So, $h(x) = root{3}of{3x+3}, g(x) = frac{x-3}{3}$, then $h(g(x))=sqrt[3]{x}$ and $h(g(8)) = 2$.



            2) The formal definition of the derivative of a composite function is: $lim_limits{xrightarrow a} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(a))}{x - a}$. So:
            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
            lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{h(g(x)) - h(g(8))}{x - 8}cdot lim_{xrightarrow 8} frac{x - 8}{h(x) - h(8)}=\
            (sqrt[3]{x})'_{x=8}cdot left((sqrt[3]{3x+3})'_{x=8}right)^{-1} =\
            frac{1}{3sqrt[3]{8^2}}cdot left(frac{3}{3sqrt[3]{(3cdot 8+3)^2}}right)^{-1}=\
            frac1{12}cdot 9=frac34.$$







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            • I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:14










            • See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
              – farruhota
              Nov 17 at 11:26










            • Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:56






            • 1




              You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
              – farruhota
              Nov 17 at 11:59










            • Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 12:03


















            • I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:14










            • See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
              – farruhota
              Nov 17 at 11:26










            • Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 11:56






            • 1




              You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
              – farruhota
              Nov 17 at 11:59










            • Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
              – Pascal Nardi
              Nov 17 at 12:03
















            I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
            – Pascal Nardi
            Nov 17 at 11:14




            I have only seen a congruence relation in the special case of modular arithmetic and don't really understand what $f(x) equiv h(x)$ means. Could you please explain further?
            – Pascal Nardi
            Nov 17 at 11:14












            See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
            – farruhota
            Nov 17 at 11:26




            See here. You should change $f$ to $h$ and that is all.
            – farruhota
            Nov 17 at 11:26












            Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
            – Pascal Nardi
            Nov 17 at 11:56




            Why is impling this a problem, as you said in your answer?
            – Pascal Nardi
            Nov 17 at 11:56




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            You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
            – farruhota
            Nov 17 at 11:59




            You defined $f(x)=sqrt[3]{3x+3}$, but never used it afterwards. So, your $f(x)$ must actually be $h(x)$, then all your following lines will be correct.
            – farruhota
            Nov 17 at 11:59












            Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
            – Pascal Nardi
            Nov 17 at 12:03




            Yes of course, it was just an error when typing my solution, thank you, answer accepted
            – Pascal Nardi
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            We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that



            $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
            =lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



            and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.






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              We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that



              $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
              =lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



              and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.






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                We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that



                $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
                =lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



                and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.






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                We don't need composite function, indeed we can use that



                $$lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}
                =lim_{xrightarrow 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}frac{x-8}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}$$



                and use derivative definition for $f(x)=root{3}of{x}$ and $g(x)=root{3}of{3x+3}$.







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                answered Nov 16 at 21:07









                gimusi

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                    Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
                    You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)






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                    • "I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
                      – amWhy
                      Nov 16 at 21:19






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                      That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
                      – Andrei
                      Nov 16 at 21:21










                    • @Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
                      – Pascal Nardi
                      Nov 17 at 11:15















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                    Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
                    You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)






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                    • "I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
                      – amWhy
                      Nov 16 at 21:19






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                      That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
                      – Andrei
                      Nov 16 at 21:21










                    • @Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
                      – Pascal Nardi
                      Nov 17 at 11:15













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                    up vote
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                    Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
                    You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)






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                    Assuming that the derivative of the numerator and denominator exist and are finite, then we can write $$lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}=lim_{xto 8}frac{frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}=frac{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{x} - 2}{x-8}}{lim_{xto 8}frac{root{3}of{3x+3}-3}{x-8}}$$
                    You then have the limit as the ratio of the derivatives (you derived l'Hospital rule)







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                    answered Nov 16 at 21:08









                    Andrei

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                    • "I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
                      – amWhy
                      Nov 16 at 21:19






                    • 1




                      That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
                      – Andrei
                      Nov 16 at 21:21










                    • @Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
                      – Pascal Nardi
                      Nov 17 at 11:15


















                    • "I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
                      – amWhy
                      Nov 16 at 21:19






                    • 1




                      That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
                      – Andrei
                      Nov 16 at 21:21










                    • @Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
                      – Pascal Nardi
                      Nov 17 at 11:15
















                    "I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
                    – amWhy
                    Nov 16 at 21:19




                    "I am not allowed to used anything else than the definition of the derivative of a function f(a) with respect to x,"
                    – amWhy
                    Nov 16 at 21:19




                    1




                    1




                    That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
                    – Andrei
                    Nov 16 at 21:21




                    That's exactly what I am doing. I wrote the definitions for the derivatives for the numerator and denominator.
                    – Andrei
                    Nov 16 at 21:21












                    @Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
                    – Pascal Nardi
                    Nov 17 at 11:15




                    @Adrei Thank you for clarifying what l'Hospital rule looks like in terms of the definition of the derivative
                    – Pascal Nardi
                    Nov 17 at 11:15


















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