Inproper Extreme Value Distribution of Type I (Gumbel) or badly estimated parameters?











up vote
0
down vote

favorite












I would appreciate a leadverification on the following excercise.



Let $W$ denote the anual maximum wind load. The anual maximum of $W$ is distributed according to an asymptotic extreme value distribution of type I (Gumbel) with mean $mu_{W}=0.89,text{kN}/text{mm }^{2}$ and standard deviation $sigma_{W}=0.33,text{kN}/text{mm}^{2}$.



The probability density function is then given by $$fleft(wright)=frac{1}{beta}expleft[-frac{w-alpha}{beta}right]expleft[-expleft[-frac{w-alpha}{beta}right]right].$$



The mean of the Gumbel-distribution ia given by $mu_W=alpha +gamma beta$ while standard deviation is given by $sigma_W=frac{pi beta }{sqrt{6}}$. Thus, one has to calculate the location parameter $alpha$ and the scale parameter $beta$,



begin{aligned}beta=sqrt{6}frac{sigma_{W}}{pi}=0.257 & , & alpha & =mu_{W}-gammacdotbeta=0.741.end{aligned}.



However, calculating $frac{partial f}{partial w}=frac{1}{beta^{2}}expleft[frac{alpha-betaexpleft[frac{alpha-w}{beta}right]-2w}{beta}right]left(expleft[alpha/betaright]-expleft[w/betaright]right)equiv 0$, the maximum of $fleft(wright)$ is assumed at $w^ast=0.741482$, implying that $fleft(w^astright)=1.42977$ which is, of course, contrary to the definition of probabilit measures.



Now, was my approach wrong or was the parameters of excersise poorly chosen. However, I was thinking whether the appropriate distribution should be log-Gumbel as wind load cannot take values less then zero.



Thank you very much for your thoughts.



The plot of probability density function given mean $mu_W$ and standard deviation $omega_W$ using mathematica is given here.










share|cite|improve this question




























    up vote
    0
    down vote

    favorite












    I would appreciate a leadverification on the following excercise.



    Let $W$ denote the anual maximum wind load. The anual maximum of $W$ is distributed according to an asymptotic extreme value distribution of type I (Gumbel) with mean $mu_{W}=0.89,text{kN}/text{mm }^{2}$ and standard deviation $sigma_{W}=0.33,text{kN}/text{mm}^{2}$.



    The probability density function is then given by $$fleft(wright)=frac{1}{beta}expleft[-frac{w-alpha}{beta}right]expleft[-expleft[-frac{w-alpha}{beta}right]right].$$



    The mean of the Gumbel-distribution ia given by $mu_W=alpha +gamma beta$ while standard deviation is given by $sigma_W=frac{pi beta }{sqrt{6}}$. Thus, one has to calculate the location parameter $alpha$ and the scale parameter $beta$,



    begin{aligned}beta=sqrt{6}frac{sigma_{W}}{pi}=0.257 & , & alpha & =mu_{W}-gammacdotbeta=0.741.end{aligned}.



    However, calculating $frac{partial f}{partial w}=frac{1}{beta^{2}}expleft[frac{alpha-betaexpleft[frac{alpha-w}{beta}right]-2w}{beta}right]left(expleft[alpha/betaright]-expleft[w/betaright]right)equiv 0$, the maximum of $fleft(wright)$ is assumed at $w^ast=0.741482$, implying that $fleft(w^astright)=1.42977$ which is, of course, contrary to the definition of probabilit measures.



    Now, was my approach wrong or was the parameters of excersise poorly chosen. However, I was thinking whether the appropriate distribution should be log-Gumbel as wind load cannot take values less then zero.



    Thank you very much for your thoughts.



    The plot of probability density function given mean $mu_W$ and standard deviation $omega_W$ using mathematica is given here.










    share|cite|improve this question


























      up vote
      0
      down vote

      favorite









      up vote
      0
      down vote

      favorite











      I would appreciate a leadverification on the following excercise.



      Let $W$ denote the anual maximum wind load. The anual maximum of $W$ is distributed according to an asymptotic extreme value distribution of type I (Gumbel) with mean $mu_{W}=0.89,text{kN}/text{mm }^{2}$ and standard deviation $sigma_{W}=0.33,text{kN}/text{mm}^{2}$.



      The probability density function is then given by $$fleft(wright)=frac{1}{beta}expleft[-frac{w-alpha}{beta}right]expleft[-expleft[-frac{w-alpha}{beta}right]right].$$



      The mean of the Gumbel-distribution ia given by $mu_W=alpha +gamma beta$ while standard deviation is given by $sigma_W=frac{pi beta }{sqrt{6}}$. Thus, one has to calculate the location parameter $alpha$ and the scale parameter $beta$,



      begin{aligned}beta=sqrt{6}frac{sigma_{W}}{pi}=0.257 & , & alpha & =mu_{W}-gammacdotbeta=0.741.end{aligned}.



      However, calculating $frac{partial f}{partial w}=frac{1}{beta^{2}}expleft[frac{alpha-betaexpleft[frac{alpha-w}{beta}right]-2w}{beta}right]left(expleft[alpha/betaright]-expleft[w/betaright]right)equiv 0$, the maximum of $fleft(wright)$ is assumed at $w^ast=0.741482$, implying that $fleft(w^astright)=1.42977$ which is, of course, contrary to the definition of probabilit measures.



      Now, was my approach wrong or was the parameters of excersise poorly chosen. However, I was thinking whether the appropriate distribution should be log-Gumbel as wind load cannot take values less then zero.



      Thank you very much for your thoughts.



      The plot of probability density function given mean $mu_W$ and standard deviation $omega_W$ using mathematica is given here.










      share|cite|improve this question















      I would appreciate a leadverification on the following excercise.



      Let $W$ denote the anual maximum wind load. The anual maximum of $W$ is distributed according to an asymptotic extreme value distribution of type I (Gumbel) with mean $mu_{W}=0.89,text{kN}/text{mm }^{2}$ and standard deviation $sigma_{W}=0.33,text{kN}/text{mm}^{2}$.



      The probability density function is then given by $$fleft(wright)=frac{1}{beta}expleft[-frac{w-alpha}{beta}right]expleft[-expleft[-frac{w-alpha}{beta}right]right].$$



      The mean of the Gumbel-distribution ia given by $mu_W=alpha +gamma beta$ while standard deviation is given by $sigma_W=frac{pi beta }{sqrt{6}}$. Thus, one has to calculate the location parameter $alpha$ and the scale parameter $beta$,



      begin{aligned}beta=sqrt{6}frac{sigma_{W}}{pi}=0.257 & , & alpha & =mu_{W}-gammacdotbeta=0.741.end{aligned}.



      However, calculating $frac{partial f}{partial w}=frac{1}{beta^{2}}expleft[frac{alpha-betaexpleft[frac{alpha-w}{beta}right]-2w}{beta}right]left(expleft[alpha/betaright]-expleft[w/betaright]right)equiv 0$, the maximum of $fleft(wright)$ is assumed at $w^ast=0.741482$, implying that $fleft(w^astright)=1.42977$ which is, of course, contrary to the definition of probabilit measures.



      Now, was my approach wrong or was the parameters of excersise poorly chosen. However, I was thinking whether the appropriate distribution should be log-Gumbel as wind load cannot take values less then zero.



      Thank you very much for your thoughts.



      The plot of probability density function given mean $mu_W$ and standard deviation $omega_W$ using mathematica is given here.







      probability-distributions stochastic-calculus extreme-value-theorem






      share|cite|improve this question















      share|cite|improve this question













      share|cite|improve this question




      share|cite|improve this question








      edited Nov 17 at 15:11









      Bernard

      116k637108




      116k637108










      asked Nov 17 at 15:08









      Clemens Söhnchen

      11




      11



























          active

          oldest

          votes











          Your Answer





          StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
          return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
          StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
          StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
          });
          });
          }, "mathjax-editing");

          StackExchange.ready(function() {
          var channelOptions = {
          tags: "".split(" "),
          id: "69"
          };
          initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

          StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
          // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
          if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
          StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
          createEditor();
          });
          }
          else {
          createEditor();
          }
          });

          function createEditor() {
          StackExchange.prepareEditor({
          heartbeatType: 'answer',
          convertImagesToLinks: true,
          noModals: true,
          showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
          reputationToPostImages: 10,
          bindNavPrevention: true,
          postfix: "",
          imageUploader: {
          brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
          contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
          allowUrls: true
          },
          noCode: true, onDemand: true,
          discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
          ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
          });


          }
          });














          draft saved

          draft discarded


















          StackExchange.ready(
          function () {
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3002456%2finproper-extreme-value-distribution-of-type-i-gumbel-or-badly-estimated-parame%23new-answer', 'question_page');
          }
          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown






























          active

          oldest

          votes













          active

          oldest

          votes









          active

          oldest

          votes






          active

          oldest

          votes
















          draft saved

          draft discarded




















































          Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!


          • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

          But avoid



          • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

          • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


          Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


          To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.





          Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.


          Please pay close attention to the following guidance:


          • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

          But avoid



          • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

          • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


          To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




          draft saved


          draft discarded














          StackExchange.ready(
          function () {
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3002456%2finproper-extreme-value-distribution-of-type-i-gumbel-or-badly-estimated-parame%23new-answer', 'question_page');
          }
          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown





















































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown

































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown







          Popular posts from this blog

          QoS: MAC-Priority for clients behind a repeater

          Ивакино (Тотемский район)

          Can't locate Autom4te/ChannelDefs.pm in @INC (when it definitely is there)