Can a US Citizen work remotely in US from EU?
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I'm a software engineer and I hold a dual citizenship, American and of an EU country. I currently work in the US but recently I have been contemplating returning to Europe while working remotely in the US. It'd be really great if I could hear from someone who has actually done this.
I do not want to discuss reasons for this here and instead I want to focus on feasibility and details of such a project.
I have just passed a three years of experience mark and I'm reasonably confident that my performance would not suffer from being a remote worker, granted that my employer did their part in accomodating me. I would also be okay with taking a salary cut, down to for example $70,000, which given the exchange rates and cost of living would still translate to more than my current salary. My one concern is that I don't have a CS degree but I attended a bootcamp. This hasn't been a major disadvantage when getting new jobs, but it's, uhm, you know, not great.
So now that we're past the introductions, I'd like to ask some questions:
Is this workable from tax perspective? I fully intend to pay whatever taxes I owe on both sides of the pond. Would keeping a US account without living in the country be problematic?
How would employers view me as a potential employee? Is $70k too high for a remote worker with 3 yoe? Additionally, many remote companies like to fly out their employees once in a while. Would that dissuade them?
Are there any companies out there that have been known to do this? I don't necessarily mean ones that specialize in this sort of thing since I'd expect them to underpay me, but ones that would be cool with that sort of thing.
Any other advice is welcome.
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I'm a software engineer and I hold a dual citizenship, American and of an EU country. I currently work in the US but recently I have been contemplating returning to Europe while working remotely in the US. It'd be really great if I could hear from someone who has actually done this.
I do not want to discuss reasons for this here and instead I want to focus on feasibility and details of such a project.
I have just passed a three years of experience mark and I'm reasonably confident that my performance would not suffer from being a remote worker, granted that my employer did their part in accomodating me. I would also be okay with taking a salary cut, down to for example $70,000, which given the exchange rates and cost of living would still translate to more than my current salary. My one concern is that I don't have a CS degree but I attended a bootcamp. This hasn't been a major disadvantage when getting new jobs, but it's, uhm, you know, not great.
So now that we're past the introductions, I'd like to ask some questions:
Is this workable from tax perspective? I fully intend to pay whatever taxes I owe on both sides of the pond. Would keeping a US account without living in the country be problematic?
How would employers view me as a potential employee? Is $70k too high for a remote worker with 3 yoe? Additionally, many remote companies like to fly out their employees once in a while. Would that dissuade them?
Are there any companies out there that have been known to do this? I don't necessarily mean ones that specialize in this sort of thing since I'd expect them to underpay me, but ones that would be cool with that sort of thing.
Any other advice is welcome.
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No reason whatsoever for a salary cut - that would be madness. You want them to INCREASE your salary.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:04
Au contraire, my dear Fattie, such an arrangement would be so appealingly to me that I would take a cut gladly. One cannot have everything. And workplace stackexchange is simply overflowing with stories of employers shortchanging remote workers. Such is the nature of things. I merely acknowledge this sad fact.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:07
HI new user burke! I have nothing but good news for you, you absolutely do not need to take any sort of 'cut' because of this. (I actually don't see what you mean about stories of remote workers being Abused ?) Fascinating thing, we have never hired a non-remote worker. (One of the things we do is find folks for specialized positions for other entites; I just realized I've never found a "local" person.)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:17
It can't hurt to try, thanks so much!
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:20
On thing @burke, you're aware that, right here on SE (SO .. whatever) if you click to "jobs" there's even a selector "Remote". If you're picking jobs from angel.co or the like most / almost all are remote. Cordialement
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:38
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I'm a software engineer and I hold a dual citizenship, American and of an EU country. I currently work in the US but recently I have been contemplating returning to Europe while working remotely in the US. It'd be really great if I could hear from someone who has actually done this.
I do not want to discuss reasons for this here and instead I want to focus on feasibility and details of such a project.
I have just passed a three years of experience mark and I'm reasonably confident that my performance would not suffer from being a remote worker, granted that my employer did their part in accomodating me. I would also be okay with taking a salary cut, down to for example $70,000, which given the exchange rates and cost of living would still translate to more than my current salary. My one concern is that I don't have a CS degree but I attended a bootcamp. This hasn't been a major disadvantage when getting new jobs, but it's, uhm, you know, not great.
So now that we're past the introductions, I'd like to ask some questions:
Is this workable from tax perspective? I fully intend to pay whatever taxes I owe on both sides of the pond. Would keeping a US account without living in the country be problematic?
How would employers view me as a potential employee? Is $70k too high for a remote worker with 3 yoe? Additionally, many remote companies like to fly out their employees once in a while. Would that dissuade them?
Are there any companies out there that have been known to do this? I don't necessarily mean ones that specialize in this sort of thing since I'd expect them to underpay me, but ones that would be cool with that sort of thing.
Any other advice is welcome.
software-industry software-development telecommute taxes
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I'm a software engineer and I hold a dual citizenship, American and of an EU country. I currently work in the US but recently I have been contemplating returning to Europe while working remotely in the US. It'd be really great if I could hear from someone who has actually done this.
I do not want to discuss reasons for this here and instead I want to focus on feasibility and details of such a project.
I have just passed a three years of experience mark and I'm reasonably confident that my performance would not suffer from being a remote worker, granted that my employer did their part in accomodating me. I would also be okay with taking a salary cut, down to for example $70,000, which given the exchange rates and cost of living would still translate to more than my current salary. My one concern is that I don't have a CS degree but I attended a bootcamp. This hasn't been a major disadvantage when getting new jobs, but it's, uhm, you know, not great.
So now that we're past the introductions, I'd like to ask some questions:
Is this workable from tax perspective? I fully intend to pay whatever taxes I owe on both sides of the pond. Would keeping a US account without living in the country be problematic?
How would employers view me as a potential employee? Is $70k too high for a remote worker with 3 yoe? Additionally, many remote companies like to fly out their employees once in a while. Would that dissuade them?
Are there any companies out there that have been known to do this? I don't necessarily mean ones that specialize in this sort of thing since I'd expect them to underpay me, but ones that would be cool with that sort of thing.
Any other advice is welcome.
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No reason whatsoever for a salary cut - that would be madness. You want them to INCREASE your salary.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:04
Au contraire, my dear Fattie, such an arrangement would be so appealingly to me that I would take a cut gladly. One cannot have everything. And workplace stackexchange is simply overflowing with stories of employers shortchanging remote workers. Such is the nature of things. I merely acknowledge this sad fact.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:07
HI new user burke! I have nothing but good news for you, you absolutely do not need to take any sort of 'cut' because of this. (I actually don't see what you mean about stories of remote workers being Abused ?) Fascinating thing, we have never hired a non-remote worker. (One of the things we do is find folks for specialized positions for other entites; I just realized I've never found a "local" person.)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:17
It can't hurt to try, thanks so much!
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:20
On thing @burke, you're aware that, right here on SE (SO .. whatever) if you click to "jobs" there's even a selector "Remote". If you're picking jobs from angel.co or the like most / almost all are remote. Cordialement
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:38
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No reason whatsoever for a salary cut - that would be madness. You want them to INCREASE your salary.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:04
Au contraire, my dear Fattie, such an arrangement would be so appealingly to me that I would take a cut gladly. One cannot have everything. And workplace stackexchange is simply overflowing with stories of employers shortchanging remote workers. Such is the nature of things. I merely acknowledge this sad fact.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:07
HI new user burke! I have nothing but good news for you, you absolutely do not need to take any sort of 'cut' because of this. (I actually don't see what you mean about stories of remote workers being Abused ?) Fascinating thing, we have never hired a non-remote worker. (One of the things we do is find folks for specialized positions for other entites; I just realized I've never found a "local" person.)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:17
It can't hurt to try, thanks so much!
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:20
On thing @burke, you're aware that, right here on SE (SO .. whatever) if you click to "jobs" there's even a selector "Remote". If you're picking jobs from angel.co or the like most / almost all are remote. Cordialement
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:38
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No reason whatsoever for a salary cut - that would be madness. You want them to INCREASE your salary.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:04
No reason whatsoever for a salary cut - that would be madness. You want them to INCREASE your salary.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:04
Au contraire, my dear Fattie, such an arrangement would be so appealingly to me that I would take a cut gladly. One cannot have everything. And workplace stackexchange is simply overflowing with stories of employers shortchanging remote workers. Such is the nature of things. I merely acknowledge this sad fact.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:07
Au contraire, my dear Fattie, such an arrangement would be so appealingly to me that I would take a cut gladly. One cannot have everything. And workplace stackexchange is simply overflowing with stories of employers shortchanging remote workers. Such is the nature of things. I merely acknowledge this sad fact.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:07
HI new user burke! I have nothing but good news for you, you absolutely do not need to take any sort of 'cut' because of this. (I actually don't see what you mean about stories of remote workers being Abused ?) Fascinating thing, we have never hired a non-remote worker. (One of the things we do is find folks for specialized positions for other entites; I just realized I've never found a "local" person.)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:17
HI new user burke! I have nothing but good news for you, you absolutely do not need to take any sort of 'cut' because of this. (I actually don't see what you mean about stories of remote workers being Abused ?) Fascinating thing, we have never hired a non-remote worker. (One of the things we do is find folks for specialized positions for other entites; I just realized I've never found a "local" person.)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:17
It can't hurt to try, thanks so much!
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:20
It can't hurt to try, thanks so much!
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:20
On thing @burke, you're aware that, right here on SE (SO .. whatever) if you click to "jobs" there's even a selector "Remote". If you're picking jobs from angel.co or the like most / almost all are remote. Cordialement
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:38
On thing @burke, you're aware that, right here on SE (SO .. whatever) if you click to "jobs" there's even a selector "Remote". If you're picking jobs from angel.co or the like most / almost all are remote. Cordialement
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:38
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I have done this. I worked a couple years for a US company, and then moved to Germany, working remotely for a little over a year.
Salary: I kept my same US salary, and it's a good thing I did, because taxes in Germany are high. I wouldn't recommend offering to take a salary cut unless you're moving to a country where the cost of living is far lower (e.g. somewhere in Eastern Europe).
Taxes: The IRS told me that the physical location where I work determines where I get taxed, meaning regardless of the company's location, if I live and work in Germany, that's my tax home. For the first six months, Germany didn't collect any taxes. Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth.
I still haven't completely worked out the tax situation, but the bottom line is that you pay taxes in the European country first, and you get a US tax credit (to a certain limit) based on the European taxes you paid. You can get a form from the IRS to give your employer to ask them to stop withholding from your paycheck. I was able to get them to stop withholding and to return what they'd already withheld for my first full calendar year here, so that I had that money to pay my German taxes.
Legalities: In my case, the company said I had to pick a country where they already had offices. I'm not really sure why, as legally I wasn't under that country's branch anyhow. They called my situation secondment. The benefit was that I kept the same US salary. The drawback was that they kept paying into US unemployment, not German, so when they decided they didn't want to have a remote worker anymore, I discovered that I couldn't get German unemployment benefits. (Luckily I was able to find another job very quickly.)
I'm not sure what other kinds of information would be helpful, but feel free to let me know in the comments.
"Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth" - as in applying international standard regulations that you are taxed in your place of residence for the WHOLE TAX YEAR and that is defined by the place you are 183 days or more.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:13
@TomTom, that is correct. I had already told them I was here to stay, but I guess until I hit that 183-day mark, they didn't believe me.
– Kyralessa
Nov 28 at 20:39
No, they do not care as per international regulations. What you INTENT is one thing - what happens another one.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:48
Thanks a lot for this! The answers I have received on this question paint a relatively complete picture but your answer really ties them together. What you wrote about secondment is especially useful from the legal point of view.
– burke
2 days ago
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Your location of work for remote work across borders is still your physical location. So if you are doing remote work for a US company while present in EU you are working in EU. Companies regularly hire offshore contractors exactly this way.
You would be paying the US income tax for income made abroad. Not because your employer is in the US but because of your US citizenship. You would also need to pay any and all local taxes.
As for whether if you can work in the EU for a remote position for a US employer, sure if you have work permit for your physical location which you do as a citizen.
Would it be legal for my employer to deposit my paycheck in my US account?
– burke
Nov 28 at 2:50
I can not give legal advice. I do not see how it would be an issue if you have it deposited in a US account, if you are a citizen. That is given you are not dodging taxes for your local country.
– Victor S
Nov 28 at 2:54
That's okay, I wasn't actually asking for legal advice.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:10
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I can give you legal advice :) It is utterly legal and OK for the US company to pay your US bank account normally. It could be, and this is the most theoretical construct available, that in (say) Spain, totally astonishingly, someone notices you've been there for more than a few years, and they come to some sort of conclusion that you have to pay something to someone in Spain. But it's totally, completely, absolutely OK for a US company to pay you in to a US bank account.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:40
You probably wouldn't be directly working for them in another country unless they had an existing office - they would not want to deal with eu labor law.
– Neuromancer
Nov 28 at 21:14
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As pointed out in Victor S's answer, you would be working in EU country X, not in the USA.
Typically, country X will have laws and regulations that a company employing people there must follow, covering many topics such as workplace safety, benefits, discrimination, employee rights, working hours, and taxation. Most US companies will not even know all the rules.
There are two common solutions, subsidiary and contractor.
Some large companies have an EU subsidiary that is set up to employ people in country X, and conforms to the relevant rules. You would not be direct employee of the US company but of that subsidiary. For example, my first job was working for NCR Ltd. in London. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of a US company, but was registered in the UK and followed UK law, including employment laws and regulations. In this case you would be paid in the local currency, and would have to handle any transfers to a US account yourself.
An alternative is for you to create a consulting business based in country X, with yourself as its only employee. The US company pays the consulting business for your work, rather than employing you. You would have to manage any benefits yourself. The currency and location of payments would be part of the contract.
This is really not the full story, particularly in the case of dual citizens, PatriciaShanahan. The guy can just go "holiday" in Spain or whatever for, who knows, 4, 8, 17 months. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue. I know many, many dual citizens and right now I can think of say 4, 5 folks who do just this. (Some in one direction, some in the other you know?)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:27
Your final paragraph about setting up an LLC in the states is perfectly correct. But, (1) there's no reason at all to have an LLC, you can just trade as yourself. (2) Since OP has mentioned a relatively modest salary level, I don't think it would be worth the hassle. Also, why? So long as OP has an address in the US, no difference. They'll just pay OP there.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:28
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It's totally and completely commonplace.
You can easily, trivially, do this.
These days anyone who hires programmers can give you anecdotes like: "I didn't even know you were living in country X, hah hah hah!"
Regarding the tax issues, it depends totally on the specifics. It can be trivially worked out since about 10 trillion people do this. You'd have to ask detailed questions about each specific situation, and anyway, you'd find a dozen QA about each case on here, so just google.
{Note that, particularly for dual citizens, there are many solutions. Say you "live" in Chicago and keep an address there (your parents, whatever, who cares). Say you happen to "take a long holiday" in France for 7, 14 or 8 months. Nobody's going to hunt you down and have an international high court case to determine whether, in your internal psyche you, "actually moved", or something. Nobody cares. Nobody knows. There isn't even any paperwork coming and going to the two regions in your case, so it's a total non-issue. You'd just pay taxes totally normally in the US to the US company, the accountant in the startup won't even know where you're sleeping.}
Be aware that the time zones can be tough on you.
None of your colleagues and none of the companies you work for, will give a toss that you're enjoying the cafes of Munich. You must be 100.00000000000% available during the business hours of your client.
(This even applies within the US. If you live on the East Coast and your contracting for a California company, you have to keep those hours. All that bullshit Toffler wrote about worldwide commuting in your PJs etc etc didn't account for such practicalities!)
Enjoy!
OP, I'm going to address your specific situation:
Here's the language you need:
Hi Boss, say I wouldn't mind working remotely from Prague the next few months. Think it would cause any problems?
Boss will either answer
Yeah sure
or
Hmm, what about the time zone?
in which case be immediately prepared to answer:
"Oh, I'll stick with our time zone strictly 100%. You know, I have an uncle's flat to stay at so it will be a nice saving for me. And since there's no commuting I'll get more done. By the way, I'm flying this Sunday so there's no missed time with the flight.
Conceivably the bookkeeper or the like at your company will ask
Say Burke, will your address or bank be the same?
And you'll say
No change, my address here in Chicago
that's it.
Your boss will be edgey that you'll turn in to a
remote flake
(Someone who's always "stepping out" or "will be back in a minute" or "Ive gone to bed already!".)
If you turn in to a "remote flake" you'll just get sacked (and have to get another remote job).
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I have done this. I worked a couple years for a US company, and then moved to Germany, working remotely for a little over a year.
Salary: I kept my same US salary, and it's a good thing I did, because taxes in Germany are high. I wouldn't recommend offering to take a salary cut unless you're moving to a country where the cost of living is far lower (e.g. somewhere in Eastern Europe).
Taxes: The IRS told me that the physical location where I work determines where I get taxed, meaning regardless of the company's location, if I live and work in Germany, that's my tax home. For the first six months, Germany didn't collect any taxes. Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth.
I still haven't completely worked out the tax situation, but the bottom line is that you pay taxes in the European country first, and you get a US tax credit (to a certain limit) based on the European taxes you paid. You can get a form from the IRS to give your employer to ask them to stop withholding from your paycheck. I was able to get them to stop withholding and to return what they'd already withheld for my first full calendar year here, so that I had that money to pay my German taxes.
Legalities: In my case, the company said I had to pick a country where they already had offices. I'm not really sure why, as legally I wasn't under that country's branch anyhow. They called my situation secondment. The benefit was that I kept the same US salary. The drawback was that they kept paying into US unemployment, not German, so when they decided they didn't want to have a remote worker anymore, I discovered that I couldn't get German unemployment benefits. (Luckily I was able to find another job very quickly.)
I'm not sure what other kinds of information would be helpful, but feel free to let me know in the comments.
"Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth" - as in applying international standard regulations that you are taxed in your place of residence for the WHOLE TAX YEAR and that is defined by the place you are 183 days or more.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:13
@TomTom, that is correct. I had already told them I was here to stay, but I guess until I hit that 183-day mark, they didn't believe me.
– Kyralessa
Nov 28 at 20:39
No, they do not care as per international regulations. What you INTENT is one thing - what happens another one.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:48
Thanks a lot for this! The answers I have received on this question paint a relatively complete picture but your answer really ties them together. What you wrote about secondment is especially useful from the legal point of view.
– burke
2 days ago
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I have done this. I worked a couple years for a US company, and then moved to Germany, working remotely for a little over a year.
Salary: I kept my same US salary, and it's a good thing I did, because taxes in Germany are high. I wouldn't recommend offering to take a salary cut unless you're moving to a country where the cost of living is far lower (e.g. somewhere in Eastern Europe).
Taxes: The IRS told me that the physical location where I work determines where I get taxed, meaning regardless of the company's location, if I live and work in Germany, that's my tax home. For the first six months, Germany didn't collect any taxes. Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth.
I still haven't completely worked out the tax situation, but the bottom line is that you pay taxes in the European country first, and you get a US tax credit (to a certain limit) based on the European taxes you paid. You can get a form from the IRS to give your employer to ask them to stop withholding from your paycheck. I was able to get them to stop withholding and to return what they'd already withheld for my first full calendar year here, so that I had that money to pay my German taxes.
Legalities: In my case, the company said I had to pick a country where they already had offices. I'm not really sure why, as legally I wasn't under that country's branch anyhow. They called my situation secondment. The benefit was that I kept the same US salary. The drawback was that they kept paying into US unemployment, not German, so when they decided they didn't want to have a remote worker anymore, I discovered that I couldn't get German unemployment benefits. (Luckily I was able to find another job very quickly.)
I'm not sure what other kinds of information would be helpful, but feel free to let me know in the comments.
"Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth" - as in applying international standard regulations that you are taxed in your place of residence for the WHOLE TAX YEAR and that is defined by the place you are 183 days or more.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:13
@TomTom, that is correct. I had already told them I was here to stay, but I guess until I hit that 183-day mark, they didn't believe me.
– Kyralessa
Nov 28 at 20:39
No, they do not care as per international regulations. What you INTENT is one thing - what happens another one.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:48
Thanks a lot for this! The answers I have received on this question paint a relatively complete picture but your answer really ties them together. What you wrote about secondment is especially useful from the legal point of view.
– burke
2 days ago
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I have done this. I worked a couple years for a US company, and then moved to Germany, working remotely for a little over a year.
Salary: I kept my same US salary, and it's a good thing I did, because taxes in Germany are high. I wouldn't recommend offering to take a salary cut unless you're moving to a country where the cost of living is far lower (e.g. somewhere in Eastern Europe).
Taxes: The IRS told me that the physical location where I work determines where I get taxed, meaning regardless of the company's location, if I live and work in Germany, that's my tax home. For the first six months, Germany didn't collect any taxes. Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth.
I still haven't completely worked out the tax situation, but the bottom line is that you pay taxes in the European country first, and you get a US tax credit (to a certain limit) based on the European taxes you paid. You can get a form from the IRS to give your employer to ask them to stop withholding from your paycheck. I was able to get them to stop withholding and to return what they'd already withheld for my first full calendar year here, so that I had that money to pay my German taxes.
Legalities: In my case, the company said I had to pick a country where they already had offices. I'm not really sure why, as legally I wasn't under that country's branch anyhow. They called my situation secondment. The benefit was that I kept the same US salary. The drawback was that they kept paying into US unemployment, not German, so when they decided they didn't want to have a remote worker anymore, I discovered that I couldn't get German unemployment benefits. (Luckily I was able to find another job very quickly.)
I'm not sure what other kinds of information would be helpful, but feel free to let me know in the comments.
I have done this. I worked a couple years for a US company, and then moved to Germany, working remotely for a little over a year.
Salary: I kept my same US salary, and it's a good thing I did, because taxes in Germany are high. I wouldn't recommend offering to take a salary cut unless you're moving to a country where the cost of living is far lower (e.g. somewhere in Eastern Europe).
Taxes: The IRS told me that the physical location where I work determines where I get taxed, meaning regardless of the company's location, if I live and work in Germany, that's my tax home. For the first six months, Germany didn't collect any taxes. Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth.
I still haven't completely worked out the tax situation, but the bottom line is that you pay taxes in the European country first, and you get a US tax credit (to a certain limit) based on the European taxes you paid. You can get a form from the IRS to give your employer to ask them to stop withholding from your paycheck. I was able to get them to stop withholding and to return what they'd already withheld for my first full calendar year here, so that I had that money to pay my German taxes.
Legalities: In my case, the company said I had to pick a country where they already had offices. I'm not really sure why, as legally I wasn't under that country's branch anyhow. They called my situation secondment. The benefit was that I kept the same US salary. The drawback was that they kept paying into US unemployment, not German, so when they decided they didn't want to have a remote worker anymore, I discovered that I couldn't get German unemployment benefits. (Luckily I was able to find another job very quickly.)
I'm not sure what other kinds of information would be helpful, but feel free to let me know in the comments.
answered Nov 28 at 20:04
Kyralessa
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"Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth" - as in applying international standard regulations that you are taxed in your place of residence for the WHOLE TAX YEAR and that is defined by the place you are 183 days or more.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:13
@TomTom, that is correct. I had already told them I was here to stay, but I guess until I hit that 183-day mark, they didn't believe me.
– Kyralessa
Nov 28 at 20:39
No, they do not care as per international regulations. What you INTENT is one thing - what happens another one.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:48
Thanks a lot for this! The answers I have received on this question paint a relatively complete picture but your answer really ties them together. What you wrote about secondment is especially useful from the legal point of view.
– burke
2 days ago
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"Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth" - as in applying international standard regulations that you are taxed in your place of residence for the WHOLE TAX YEAR and that is defined by the place you are 183 days or more.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:13
@TomTom, that is correct. I had already told them I was here to stay, but I guess until I hit that 183-day mark, they didn't believe me.
– Kyralessa
Nov 28 at 20:39
No, they do not care as per international regulations. What you INTENT is one thing - what happens another one.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:48
Thanks a lot for this! The answers I have received on this question paint a relatively complete picture but your answer really ties them together. What you wrote about secondment is especially useful from the legal point of view.
– burke
2 days ago
"Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth" - as in applying international standard regulations that you are taxed in your place of residence for the WHOLE TAX YEAR and that is defined by the place you are 183 days or more.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:13
"Then suddenly after I'd stayed more than six months, they wanted taxes, including that previous six months' worth" - as in applying international standard regulations that you are taxed in your place of residence for the WHOLE TAX YEAR and that is defined by the place you are 183 days or more.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:13
@TomTom, that is correct. I had already told them I was here to stay, but I guess until I hit that 183-day mark, they didn't believe me.
– Kyralessa
Nov 28 at 20:39
@TomTom, that is correct. I had already told them I was here to stay, but I guess until I hit that 183-day mark, they didn't believe me.
– Kyralessa
Nov 28 at 20:39
No, they do not care as per international regulations. What you INTENT is one thing - what happens another one.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:48
No, they do not care as per international regulations. What you INTENT is one thing - what happens another one.
– TomTom
Nov 28 at 20:48
Thanks a lot for this! The answers I have received on this question paint a relatively complete picture but your answer really ties them together. What you wrote about secondment is especially useful from the legal point of view.
– burke
2 days ago
Thanks a lot for this! The answers I have received on this question paint a relatively complete picture but your answer really ties them together. What you wrote about secondment is especially useful from the legal point of view.
– burke
2 days ago
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Your location of work for remote work across borders is still your physical location. So if you are doing remote work for a US company while present in EU you are working in EU. Companies regularly hire offshore contractors exactly this way.
You would be paying the US income tax for income made abroad. Not because your employer is in the US but because of your US citizenship. You would also need to pay any and all local taxes.
As for whether if you can work in the EU for a remote position for a US employer, sure if you have work permit for your physical location which you do as a citizen.
Would it be legal for my employer to deposit my paycheck in my US account?
– burke
Nov 28 at 2:50
I can not give legal advice. I do not see how it would be an issue if you have it deposited in a US account, if you are a citizen. That is given you are not dodging taxes for your local country.
– Victor S
Nov 28 at 2:54
That's okay, I wasn't actually asking for legal advice.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:10
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I can give you legal advice :) It is utterly legal and OK for the US company to pay your US bank account normally. It could be, and this is the most theoretical construct available, that in (say) Spain, totally astonishingly, someone notices you've been there for more than a few years, and they come to some sort of conclusion that you have to pay something to someone in Spain. But it's totally, completely, absolutely OK for a US company to pay you in to a US bank account.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:40
You probably wouldn't be directly working for them in another country unless they had an existing office - they would not want to deal with eu labor law.
– Neuromancer
Nov 28 at 21:14
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up vote
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Your location of work for remote work across borders is still your physical location. So if you are doing remote work for a US company while present in EU you are working in EU. Companies regularly hire offshore contractors exactly this way.
You would be paying the US income tax for income made abroad. Not because your employer is in the US but because of your US citizenship. You would also need to pay any and all local taxes.
As for whether if you can work in the EU for a remote position for a US employer, sure if you have work permit for your physical location which you do as a citizen.
Would it be legal for my employer to deposit my paycheck in my US account?
– burke
Nov 28 at 2:50
I can not give legal advice. I do not see how it would be an issue if you have it deposited in a US account, if you are a citizen. That is given you are not dodging taxes for your local country.
– Victor S
Nov 28 at 2:54
That's okay, I wasn't actually asking for legal advice.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:10
1
I can give you legal advice :) It is utterly legal and OK for the US company to pay your US bank account normally. It could be, and this is the most theoretical construct available, that in (say) Spain, totally astonishingly, someone notices you've been there for more than a few years, and they come to some sort of conclusion that you have to pay something to someone in Spain. But it's totally, completely, absolutely OK for a US company to pay you in to a US bank account.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:40
You probably wouldn't be directly working for them in another country unless they had an existing office - they would not want to deal with eu labor law.
– Neuromancer
Nov 28 at 21:14
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up vote
3
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up vote
3
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Your location of work for remote work across borders is still your physical location. So if you are doing remote work for a US company while present in EU you are working in EU. Companies regularly hire offshore contractors exactly this way.
You would be paying the US income tax for income made abroad. Not because your employer is in the US but because of your US citizenship. You would also need to pay any and all local taxes.
As for whether if you can work in the EU for a remote position for a US employer, sure if you have work permit for your physical location which you do as a citizen.
Your location of work for remote work across borders is still your physical location. So if you are doing remote work for a US company while present in EU you are working in EU. Companies regularly hire offshore contractors exactly this way.
You would be paying the US income tax for income made abroad. Not because your employer is in the US but because of your US citizenship. You would also need to pay any and all local taxes.
As for whether if you can work in the EU for a remote position for a US employer, sure if you have work permit for your physical location which you do as a citizen.
answered Nov 28 at 2:44
Victor S
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Would it be legal for my employer to deposit my paycheck in my US account?
– burke
Nov 28 at 2:50
I can not give legal advice. I do not see how it would be an issue if you have it deposited in a US account, if you are a citizen. That is given you are not dodging taxes for your local country.
– Victor S
Nov 28 at 2:54
That's okay, I wasn't actually asking for legal advice.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:10
1
I can give you legal advice :) It is utterly legal and OK for the US company to pay your US bank account normally. It could be, and this is the most theoretical construct available, that in (say) Spain, totally astonishingly, someone notices you've been there for more than a few years, and they come to some sort of conclusion that you have to pay something to someone in Spain. But it's totally, completely, absolutely OK for a US company to pay you in to a US bank account.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:40
You probably wouldn't be directly working for them in another country unless they had an existing office - they would not want to deal with eu labor law.
– Neuromancer
Nov 28 at 21:14
add a comment |
Would it be legal for my employer to deposit my paycheck in my US account?
– burke
Nov 28 at 2:50
I can not give legal advice. I do not see how it would be an issue if you have it deposited in a US account, if you are a citizen. That is given you are not dodging taxes for your local country.
– Victor S
Nov 28 at 2:54
That's okay, I wasn't actually asking for legal advice.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:10
1
I can give you legal advice :) It is utterly legal and OK for the US company to pay your US bank account normally. It could be, and this is the most theoretical construct available, that in (say) Spain, totally astonishingly, someone notices you've been there for more than a few years, and they come to some sort of conclusion that you have to pay something to someone in Spain. But it's totally, completely, absolutely OK for a US company to pay you in to a US bank account.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:40
You probably wouldn't be directly working for them in another country unless they had an existing office - they would not want to deal with eu labor law.
– Neuromancer
Nov 28 at 21:14
Would it be legal for my employer to deposit my paycheck in my US account?
– burke
Nov 28 at 2:50
Would it be legal for my employer to deposit my paycheck in my US account?
– burke
Nov 28 at 2:50
I can not give legal advice. I do not see how it would be an issue if you have it deposited in a US account, if you are a citizen. That is given you are not dodging taxes for your local country.
– Victor S
Nov 28 at 2:54
I can not give legal advice. I do not see how it would be an issue if you have it deposited in a US account, if you are a citizen. That is given you are not dodging taxes for your local country.
– Victor S
Nov 28 at 2:54
That's okay, I wasn't actually asking for legal advice.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:10
That's okay, I wasn't actually asking for legal advice.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:10
1
1
I can give you legal advice :) It is utterly legal and OK for the US company to pay your US bank account normally. It could be, and this is the most theoretical construct available, that in (say) Spain, totally astonishingly, someone notices you've been there for more than a few years, and they come to some sort of conclusion that you have to pay something to someone in Spain. But it's totally, completely, absolutely OK for a US company to pay you in to a US bank account.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:40
I can give you legal advice :) It is utterly legal and OK for the US company to pay your US bank account normally. It could be, and this is the most theoretical construct available, that in (say) Spain, totally astonishingly, someone notices you've been there for more than a few years, and they come to some sort of conclusion that you have to pay something to someone in Spain. But it's totally, completely, absolutely OK for a US company to pay you in to a US bank account.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:40
You probably wouldn't be directly working for them in another country unless they had an existing office - they would not want to deal with eu labor law.
– Neuromancer
Nov 28 at 21:14
You probably wouldn't be directly working for them in another country unless they had an existing office - they would not want to deal with eu labor law.
– Neuromancer
Nov 28 at 21:14
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As pointed out in Victor S's answer, you would be working in EU country X, not in the USA.
Typically, country X will have laws and regulations that a company employing people there must follow, covering many topics such as workplace safety, benefits, discrimination, employee rights, working hours, and taxation. Most US companies will not even know all the rules.
There are two common solutions, subsidiary and contractor.
Some large companies have an EU subsidiary that is set up to employ people in country X, and conforms to the relevant rules. You would not be direct employee of the US company but of that subsidiary. For example, my first job was working for NCR Ltd. in London. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of a US company, but was registered in the UK and followed UK law, including employment laws and regulations. In this case you would be paid in the local currency, and would have to handle any transfers to a US account yourself.
An alternative is for you to create a consulting business based in country X, with yourself as its only employee. The US company pays the consulting business for your work, rather than employing you. You would have to manage any benefits yourself. The currency and location of payments would be part of the contract.
This is really not the full story, particularly in the case of dual citizens, PatriciaShanahan. The guy can just go "holiday" in Spain or whatever for, who knows, 4, 8, 17 months. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue. I know many, many dual citizens and right now I can think of say 4, 5 folks who do just this. (Some in one direction, some in the other you know?)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:27
Your final paragraph about setting up an LLC in the states is perfectly correct. But, (1) there's no reason at all to have an LLC, you can just trade as yourself. (2) Since OP has mentioned a relatively modest salary level, I don't think it would be worth the hassle. Also, why? So long as OP has an address in the US, no difference. They'll just pay OP there.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:28
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As pointed out in Victor S's answer, you would be working in EU country X, not in the USA.
Typically, country X will have laws and regulations that a company employing people there must follow, covering many topics such as workplace safety, benefits, discrimination, employee rights, working hours, and taxation. Most US companies will not even know all the rules.
There are two common solutions, subsidiary and contractor.
Some large companies have an EU subsidiary that is set up to employ people in country X, and conforms to the relevant rules. You would not be direct employee of the US company but of that subsidiary. For example, my first job was working for NCR Ltd. in London. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of a US company, but was registered in the UK and followed UK law, including employment laws and regulations. In this case you would be paid in the local currency, and would have to handle any transfers to a US account yourself.
An alternative is for you to create a consulting business based in country X, with yourself as its only employee. The US company pays the consulting business for your work, rather than employing you. You would have to manage any benefits yourself. The currency and location of payments would be part of the contract.
This is really not the full story, particularly in the case of dual citizens, PatriciaShanahan. The guy can just go "holiday" in Spain or whatever for, who knows, 4, 8, 17 months. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue. I know many, many dual citizens and right now I can think of say 4, 5 folks who do just this. (Some in one direction, some in the other you know?)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:27
Your final paragraph about setting up an LLC in the states is perfectly correct. But, (1) there's no reason at all to have an LLC, you can just trade as yourself. (2) Since OP has mentioned a relatively modest salary level, I don't think it would be worth the hassle. Also, why? So long as OP has an address in the US, no difference. They'll just pay OP there.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:28
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up vote
3
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As pointed out in Victor S's answer, you would be working in EU country X, not in the USA.
Typically, country X will have laws and regulations that a company employing people there must follow, covering many topics such as workplace safety, benefits, discrimination, employee rights, working hours, and taxation. Most US companies will not even know all the rules.
There are two common solutions, subsidiary and contractor.
Some large companies have an EU subsidiary that is set up to employ people in country X, and conforms to the relevant rules. You would not be direct employee of the US company but of that subsidiary. For example, my first job was working for NCR Ltd. in London. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of a US company, but was registered in the UK and followed UK law, including employment laws and regulations. In this case you would be paid in the local currency, and would have to handle any transfers to a US account yourself.
An alternative is for you to create a consulting business based in country X, with yourself as its only employee. The US company pays the consulting business for your work, rather than employing you. You would have to manage any benefits yourself. The currency and location of payments would be part of the contract.
As pointed out in Victor S's answer, you would be working in EU country X, not in the USA.
Typically, country X will have laws and regulations that a company employing people there must follow, covering many topics such as workplace safety, benefits, discrimination, employee rights, working hours, and taxation. Most US companies will not even know all the rules.
There are two common solutions, subsidiary and contractor.
Some large companies have an EU subsidiary that is set up to employ people in country X, and conforms to the relevant rules. You would not be direct employee of the US company but of that subsidiary. For example, my first job was working for NCR Ltd. in London. It was a wholly owned subsidiary of a US company, but was registered in the UK and followed UK law, including employment laws and regulations. In this case you would be paid in the local currency, and would have to handle any transfers to a US account yourself.
An alternative is for you to create a consulting business based in country X, with yourself as its only employee. The US company pays the consulting business for your work, rather than employing you. You would have to manage any benefits yourself. The currency and location of payments would be part of the contract.
answered Nov 28 at 3:20
Patricia Shanahan
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This is really not the full story, particularly in the case of dual citizens, PatriciaShanahan. The guy can just go "holiday" in Spain or whatever for, who knows, 4, 8, 17 months. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue. I know many, many dual citizens and right now I can think of say 4, 5 folks who do just this. (Some in one direction, some in the other you know?)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:27
Your final paragraph about setting up an LLC in the states is perfectly correct. But, (1) there's no reason at all to have an LLC, you can just trade as yourself. (2) Since OP has mentioned a relatively modest salary level, I don't think it would be worth the hassle. Also, why? So long as OP has an address in the US, no difference. They'll just pay OP there.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:28
add a comment |
This is really not the full story, particularly in the case of dual citizens, PatriciaShanahan. The guy can just go "holiday" in Spain or whatever for, who knows, 4, 8, 17 months. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue. I know many, many dual citizens and right now I can think of say 4, 5 folks who do just this. (Some in one direction, some in the other you know?)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:27
Your final paragraph about setting up an LLC in the states is perfectly correct. But, (1) there's no reason at all to have an LLC, you can just trade as yourself. (2) Since OP has mentioned a relatively modest salary level, I don't think it would be worth the hassle. Also, why? So long as OP has an address in the US, no difference. They'll just pay OP there.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:28
This is really not the full story, particularly in the case of dual citizens, PatriciaShanahan. The guy can just go "holiday" in Spain or whatever for, who knows, 4, 8, 17 months. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue. I know many, many dual citizens and right now I can think of say 4, 5 folks who do just this. (Some in one direction, some in the other you know?)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:27
This is really not the full story, particularly in the case of dual citizens, PatriciaShanahan. The guy can just go "holiday" in Spain or whatever for, who knows, 4, 8, 17 months. Nobody cares and it's a non-issue. I know many, many dual citizens and right now I can think of say 4, 5 folks who do just this. (Some in one direction, some in the other you know?)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:27
Your final paragraph about setting up an LLC in the states is perfectly correct. But, (1) there's no reason at all to have an LLC, you can just trade as yourself. (2) Since OP has mentioned a relatively modest salary level, I don't think it would be worth the hassle. Also, why? So long as OP has an address in the US, no difference. They'll just pay OP there.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:28
Your final paragraph about setting up an LLC in the states is perfectly correct. But, (1) there's no reason at all to have an LLC, you can just trade as yourself. (2) Since OP has mentioned a relatively modest salary level, I don't think it would be worth the hassle. Also, why? So long as OP has an address in the US, no difference. They'll just pay OP there.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:28
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It's totally and completely commonplace.
You can easily, trivially, do this.
These days anyone who hires programmers can give you anecdotes like: "I didn't even know you were living in country X, hah hah hah!"
Regarding the tax issues, it depends totally on the specifics. It can be trivially worked out since about 10 trillion people do this. You'd have to ask detailed questions about each specific situation, and anyway, you'd find a dozen QA about each case on here, so just google.
{Note that, particularly for dual citizens, there are many solutions. Say you "live" in Chicago and keep an address there (your parents, whatever, who cares). Say you happen to "take a long holiday" in France for 7, 14 or 8 months. Nobody's going to hunt you down and have an international high court case to determine whether, in your internal psyche you, "actually moved", or something. Nobody cares. Nobody knows. There isn't even any paperwork coming and going to the two regions in your case, so it's a total non-issue. You'd just pay taxes totally normally in the US to the US company, the accountant in the startup won't even know where you're sleeping.}
Be aware that the time zones can be tough on you.
None of your colleagues and none of the companies you work for, will give a toss that you're enjoying the cafes of Munich. You must be 100.00000000000% available during the business hours of your client.
(This even applies within the US. If you live on the East Coast and your contracting for a California company, you have to keep those hours. All that bullshit Toffler wrote about worldwide commuting in your PJs etc etc didn't account for such practicalities!)
Enjoy!
OP, I'm going to address your specific situation:
Here's the language you need:
Hi Boss, say I wouldn't mind working remotely from Prague the next few months. Think it would cause any problems?
Boss will either answer
Yeah sure
or
Hmm, what about the time zone?
in which case be immediately prepared to answer:
"Oh, I'll stick with our time zone strictly 100%. You know, I have an uncle's flat to stay at so it will be a nice saving for me. And since there's no commuting I'll get more done. By the way, I'm flying this Sunday so there's no missed time with the flight.
Conceivably the bookkeeper or the like at your company will ask
Say Burke, will your address or bank be the same?
And you'll say
No change, my address here in Chicago
that's it.
Your boss will be edgey that you'll turn in to a
remote flake
(Someone who's always "stepping out" or "will be back in a minute" or "Ive gone to bed already!".)
If you turn in to a "remote flake" you'll just get sacked (and have to get another remote job).
add a comment |
up vote
-2
down vote
It's totally and completely commonplace.
You can easily, trivially, do this.
These days anyone who hires programmers can give you anecdotes like: "I didn't even know you were living in country X, hah hah hah!"
Regarding the tax issues, it depends totally on the specifics. It can be trivially worked out since about 10 trillion people do this. You'd have to ask detailed questions about each specific situation, and anyway, you'd find a dozen QA about each case on here, so just google.
{Note that, particularly for dual citizens, there are many solutions. Say you "live" in Chicago and keep an address there (your parents, whatever, who cares). Say you happen to "take a long holiday" in France for 7, 14 or 8 months. Nobody's going to hunt you down and have an international high court case to determine whether, in your internal psyche you, "actually moved", or something. Nobody cares. Nobody knows. There isn't even any paperwork coming and going to the two regions in your case, so it's a total non-issue. You'd just pay taxes totally normally in the US to the US company, the accountant in the startup won't even know where you're sleeping.}
Be aware that the time zones can be tough on you.
None of your colleagues and none of the companies you work for, will give a toss that you're enjoying the cafes of Munich. You must be 100.00000000000% available during the business hours of your client.
(This even applies within the US. If you live on the East Coast and your contracting for a California company, you have to keep those hours. All that bullshit Toffler wrote about worldwide commuting in your PJs etc etc didn't account for such practicalities!)
Enjoy!
OP, I'm going to address your specific situation:
Here's the language you need:
Hi Boss, say I wouldn't mind working remotely from Prague the next few months. Think it would cause any problems?
Boss will either answer
Yeah sure
or
Hmm, what about the time zone?
in which case be immediately prepared to answer:
"Oh, I'll stick with our time zone strictly 100%. You know, I have an uncle's flat to stay at so it will be a nice saving for me. And since there's no commuting I'll get more done. By the way, I'm flying this Sunday so there's no missed time with the flight.
Conceivably the bookkeeper or the like at your company will ask
Say Burke, will your address or bank be the same?
And you'll say
No change, my address here in Chicago
that's it.
Your boss will be edgey that you'll turn in to a
remote flake
(Someone who's always "stepping out" or "will be back in a minute" or "Ive gone to bed already!".)
If you turn in to a "remote flake" you'll just get sacked (and have to get another remote job).
add a comment |
up vote
-2
down vote
up vote
-2
down vote
It's totally and completely commonplace.
You can easily, trivially, do this.
These days anyone who hires programmers can give you anecdotes like: "I didn't even know you were living in country X, hah hah hah!"
Regarding the tax issues, it depends totally on the specifics. It can be trivially worked out since about 10 trillion people do this. You'd have to ask detailed questions about each specific situation, and anyway, you'd find a dozen QA about each case on here, so just google.
{Note that, particularly for dual citizens, there are many solutions. Say you "live" in Chicago and keep an address there (your parents, whatever, who cares). Say you happen to "take a long holiday" in France for 7, 14 or 8 months. Nobody's going to hunt you down and have an international high court case to determine whether, in your internal psyche you, "actually moved", or something. Nobody cares. Nobody knows. There isn't even any paperwork coming and going to the two regions in your case, so it's a total non-issue. You'd just pay taxes totally normally in the US to the US company, the accountant in the startup won't even know where you're sleeping.}
Be aware that the time zones can be tough on you.
None of your colleagues and none of the companies you work for, will give a toss that you're enjoying the cafes of Munich. You must be 100.00000000000% available during the business hours of your client.
(This even applies within the US. If you live on the East Coast and your contracting for a California company, you have to keep those hours. All that bullshit Toffler wrote about worldwide commuting in your PJs etc etc didn't account for such practicalities!)
Enjoy!
OP, I'm going to address your specific situation:
Here's the language you need:
Hi Boss, say I wouldn't mind working remotely from Prague the next few months. Think it would cause any problems?
Boss will either answer
Yeah sure
or
Hmm, what about the time zone?
in which case be immediately prepared to answer:
"Oh, I'll stick with our time zone strictly 100%. You know, I have an uncle's flat to stay at so it will be a nice saving for me. And since there's no commuting I'll get more done. By the way, I'm flying this Sunday so there's no missed time with the flight.
Conceivably the bookkeeper or the like at your company will ask
Say Burke, will your address or bank be the same?
And you'll say
No change, my address here in Chicago
that's it.
Your boss will be edgey that you'll turn in to a
remote flake
(Someone who's always "stepping out" or "will be back in a minute" or "Ive gone to bed already!".)
If you turn in to a "remote flake" you'll just get sacked (and have to get another remote job).
It's totally and completely commonplace.
You can easily, trivially, do this.
These days anyone who hires programmers can give you anecdotes like: "I didn't even know you were living in country X, hah hah hah!"
Regarding the tax issues, it depends totally on the specifics. It can be trivially worked out since about 10 trillion people do this. You'd have to ask detailed questions about each specific situation, and anyway, you'd find a dozen QA about each case on here, so just google.
{Note that, particularly for dual citizens, there are many solutions. Say you "live" in Chicago and keep an address there (your parents, whatever, who cares). Say you happen to "take a long holiday" in France for 7, 14 or 8 months. Nobody's going to hunt you down and have an international high court case to determine whether, in your internal psyche you, "actually moved", or something. Nobody cares. Nobody knows. There isn't even any paperwork coming and going to the two regions in your case, so it's a total non-issue. You'd just pay taxes totally normally in the US to the US company, the accountant in the startup won't even know where you're sleeping.}
Be aware that the time zones can be tough on you.
None of your colleagues and none of the companies you work for, will give a toss that you're enjoying the cafes of Munich. You must be 100.00000000000% available during the business hours of your client.
(This even applies within the US. If you live on the East Coast and your contracting for a California company, you have to keep those hours. All that bullshit Toffler wrote about worldwide commuting in your PJs etc etc didn't account for such practicalities!)
Enjoy!
OP, I'm going to address your specific situation:
Here's the language you need:
Hi Boss, say I wouldn't mind working remotely from Prague the next few months. Think it would cause any problems?
Boss will either answer
Yeah sure
or
Hmm, what about the time zone?
in which case be immediately prepared to answer:
"Oh, I'll stick with our time zone strictly 100%. You know, I have an uncle's flat to stay at so it will be a nice saving for me. And since there's no commuting I'll get more done. By the way, I'm flying this Sunday so there's no missed time with the flight.
Conceivably the bookkeeper or the like at your company will ask
Say Burke, will your address or bank be the same?
And you'll say
No change, my address here in Chicago
that's it.
Your boss will be edgey that you'll turn in to a
remote flake
(Someone who's always "stepping out" or "will be back in a minute" or "Ive gone to bed already!".)
If you turn in to a "remote flake" you'll just get sacked (and have to get another remote job).
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No reason whatsoever for a salary cut - that would be madness. You want them to INCREASE your salary.
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:04
Au contraire, my dear Fattie, such an arrangement would be so appealingly to me that I would take a cut gladly. One cannot have everything. And workplace stackexchange is simply overflowing with stories of employers shortchanging remote workers. Such is the nature of things. I merely acknowledge this sad fact.
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:07
HI new user burke! I have nothing but good news for you, you absolutely do not need to take any sort of 'cut' because of this. (I actually don't see what you mean about stories of remote workers being Abused ?) Fascinating thing, we have never hired a non-remote worker. (One of the things we do is find folks for specialized positions for other entites; I just realized I've never found a "local" person.)
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:17
It can't hurt to try, thanks so much!
– burke
Nov 28 at 3:20
On thing @burke, you're aware that, right here on SE (SO .. whatever) if you click to "jobs" there's even a selector "Remote". If you're picking jobs from angel.co or the like most / almost all are remote. Cordialement
– Fattie
Nov 28 at 3:38