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I found the proof by @user642796 here. From his/her personal page, it seems to me that he/she has not visited MSE for a long time. So I post this question here.



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By definition we know that given an ordinal $alpha$ and a limit ordinal $beta$ that $$alpha^beta = {textstyle sup_{gamma < beta}}: alpha^gamma.$$ But we can actually say a bit more: If $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal in $beta$, then $$sup { alpha^gamma : gamma in A } = alpha^beta.$$ And similarly with the other basic arithmetic operations on ordinals.



The line that you have labelled $***$ (assuming $alpha > 1$) then becomes something to the effect of $$begin{align}
alpha^{beta + gamma}
&= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} : delta < gamma } &&text{(}{ beta+delta : delta < gamma}text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }beta + gammatext{)} \
&= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta : delta < gamma } &&text{(by induction hypothesis)} \
&= alpha^beta cdot sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }
&&text{(}{ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{)}
\
&=alpha ^beta cdot alpha^gamma &&text{(by definition)}
end{align}$$



(The assumption that $alpha > 1$ is only needed to ensure that $sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ is a limit ordinal given that $gamma > 0$ is a limit. The outlying cases where $alpha = 0$ and $alpha = 1$ can easily be taken care of separately.)






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  1. I'm able to understand almost everything in the proof except for the most important point: how @user642796 use the property of cofinal to achieve



$$begin{align}&sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta : delta < gamma }\
= &alpha^beta cdot sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }
left({ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }right)end{align}$$





  1. The sentence ${ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ is cofinal in the limit ord $sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ doesn't make sense to me. This sentence somewhat means If $alpha$ is a limit ordinal, then $alpha$ is cofinal in the limit ord $alpha$ ans thus is quite odd.


Thank you so much!










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    I found the proof by @user642796 here. From his/her personal page, it seems to me that he/she has not visited MSE for a long time. So I post this question here.



    Below is the verbatim proof by @user642796.




    By definition we know that given an ordinal $alpha$ and a limit ordinal $beta$ that $$alpha^beta = {textstyle sup_{gamma < beta}}: alpha^gamma.$$ But we can actually say a bit more: If $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal in $beta$, then $$sup { alpha^gamma : gamma in A } = alpha^beta.$$ And similarly with the other basic arithmetic operations on ordinals.



    The line that you have labelled $***$ (assuming $alpha > 1$) then becomes something to the effect of $$begin{align}
    alpha^{beta + gamma}
    &= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} : delta < gamma } &&text{(}{ beta+delta : delta < gamma}text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }beta + gammatext{)} \
    &= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta : delta < gamma } &&text{(by induction hypothesis)} \
    &= alpha^beta cdot sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }
    &&text{(}{ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{)}
    \
    &=alpha ^beta cdot alpha^gamma &&text{(by definition)}
    end{align}$$



    (The assumption that $alpha > 1$ is only needed to ensure that $sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ is a limit ordinal given that $gamma > 0$ is a limit. The outlying cases where $alpha = 0$ and $alpha = 1$ can easily be taken care of separately.)






    My questions:




    1. I'm able to understand almost everything in the proof except for the most important point: how @user642796 use the property of cofinal to achieve



    $$begin{align}&sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta : delta < gamma }\
    = &alpha^beta cdot sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }
    left({ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }right)end{align}$$





    1. The sentence ${ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ is cofinal in the limit ord $sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ doesn't make sense to me. This sentence somewhat means If $alpha$ is a limit ordinal, then $alpha$ is cofinal in the limit ord $alpha$ ans thus is quite odd.


    Thank you so much!










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      I found the proof by @user642796 here. From his/her personal page, it seems to me that he/she has not visited MSE for a long time. So I post this question here.



      Below is the verbatim proof by @user642796.




      By definition we know that given an ordinal $alpha$ and a limit ordinal $beta$ that $$alpha^beta = {textstyle sup_{gamma < beta}}: alpha^gamma.$$ But we can actually say a bit more: If $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal in $beta$, then $$sup { alpha^gamma : gamma in A } = alpha^beta.$$ And similarly with the other basic arithmetic operations on ordinals.



      The line that you have labelled $***$ (assuming $alpha > 1$) then becomes something to the effect of $$begin{align}
      alpha^{beta + gamma}
      &= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} : delta < gamma } &&text{(}{ beta+delta : delta < gamma}text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }beta + gammatext{)} \
      &= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta : delta < gamma } &&text{(by induction hypothesis)} \
      &= alpha^beta cdot sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }
      &&text{(}{ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{)}
      \
      &=alpha ^beta cdot alpha^gamma &&text{(by definition)}
      end{align}$$



      (The assumption that $alpha > 1$ is only needed to ensure that $sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ is a limit ordinal given that $gamma > 0$ is a limit. The outlying cases where $alpha = 0$ and $alpha = 1$ can easily be taken care of separately.)






      My questions:




      1. I'm able to understand almost everything in the proof except for the most important point: how @user642796 use the property of cofinal to achieve



      $$begin{align}&sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta : delta < gamma }\
      = &alpha^beta cdot sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }
      left({ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }right)end{align}$$





      1. The sentence ${ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ is cofinal in the limit ord $sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ doesn't make sense to me. This sentence somewhat means If $alpha$ is a limit ordinal, then $alpha$ is cofinal in the limit ord $alpha$ ans thus is quite odd.


      Thank you so much!










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      I found the proof by @user642796 here. From his/her personal page, it seems to me that he/she has not visited MSE for a long time. So I post this question here.



      Below is the verbatim proof by @user642796.




      By definition we know that given an ordinal $alpha$ and a limit ordinal $beta$ that $$alpha^beta = {textstyle sup_{gamma < beta}}: alpha^gamma.$$ But we can actually say a bit more: If $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal in $beta$, then $$sup { alpha^gamma : gamma in A } = alpha^beta.$$ And similarly with the other basic arithmetic operations on ordinals.



      The line that you have labelled $***$ (assuming $alpha > 1$) then becomes something to the effect of $$begin{align}
      alpha^{beta + gamma}
      &= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} : delta < gamma } &&text{(}{ beta+delta : delta < gamma}text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }beta + gammatext{)} \
      &= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta : delta < gamma } &&text{(by induction hypothesis)} \
      &= alpha^beta cdot sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }
      &&text{(}{ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{)}
      \
      &=alpha ^beta cdot alpha^gamma &&text{(by definition)}
      end{align}$$



      (The assumption that $alpha > 1$ is only needed to ensure that $sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ is a limit ordinal given that $gamma > 0$ is a limit. The outlying cases where $alpha = 0$ and $alpha = 1$ can easily be taken care of separately.)






      My questions:




      1. I'm able to understand almost everything in the proof except for the most important point: how @user642796 use the property of cofinal to achieve



      $$begin{align}&sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta : delta < gamma }\
      = &alpha^beta cdot sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }
      left({ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }text{ is cofinal in the limit ord }sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }right)end{align}$$





      1. The sentence ${ alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ is cofinal in the limit ord $sup { alpha^delta : delta < gamma }$ doesn't make sense to me. This sentence somewhat means If $alpha$ is a limit ordinal, then $alpha$ is cofinal in the limit ord $alpha$ ans thus is quite odd.


      Thank you so much!







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          Let me provide a few more details. First let's prove the stated



          Lemma. Let $1 < alpha$, let $beta$ be a limit ordinal and let $A subseteq beta$ be cofinal. Then $a^beta = sup { a^gamma mid gamma in A }$.



          Proof. By definition of ordinal multiplication we have that $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$. Since ${alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } subseteq { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ we thus clearly have that $sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } le alpha^beta$.



          Conversely let $xi < alpha^beta$. Since $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ there is some $gamma < beta$ such that $xi < alpha^gamma$. Now, since $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal, there is some $gamma < gamma^* in A$. Since $gamma mapsto alpha^gamma$ is increasing, we have that $$xi < alpha^gamma < alpha^{gamma^*} le sup { alpha^{delta} mid delta in A }.$$



          Thus $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A }$. Q.E.D.



          Now to the main event:



          Lemma. Let $alpha > 1$, $beta, gamma$ be ordinals. Then $alpha^{beta + gamma} = alpha^{beta} cdot alpha^{gamma}$.



          Proof. We proceed by induction on $gamma$ and only consider the limit case. (As seen in the original post, the case $gamma = delta + 1$ is easy.)



          We have
          $$
          begin{align*}
          alpha^{beta + gamma } &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid delta < beta + gamma } && beta + gamma text{ is a limit ordinal} \
          &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid beta le delta < beta + gamma } && text{ see lemma above} \
          &= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} mid delta < gamma } && text{every } beta le delta < beta + gamma text{ can be written as } delta = beta + delta^* text{ for a unique } delta^* < gamma \
          &= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } && text{ induction hypothesis}
          end{align*}
          $$

          It remains to be seen that $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } = alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Let $delta < gamma$. Then $alpha^delta < alpha^gamma$. Since $(xi, eta) mapsto xi cdot eta$ is increasing in the second coordinate, it follows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ and thus $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } le alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Conversely, let $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$. Since $cdot$ is increasing in the second coordinate, there is then some $eta < alpha^gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot eta$. Since $alpha^gamma = sup { alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ there is moreover some $delta < gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta$. This shows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma le sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ and hence the desired equality. Q.E.D.






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          • Please check if i correctly understand your ideas! It follows from $gamma$ is a limit ordinal that $alpha^gamma$ and $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ are limit ordinals too. Then $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma=sup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$. Since we want to show $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } lesup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$, it suffices to show that $forall delta < gamma, exists xi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma:alpha^beta cdot alpha^deltalexi$. [...]
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:36










          • [...] We prove this as follows. $gamma$ is a limit ordinal $impliesforalldelta<gamma,existsgamma':delta<gamma'<gammaimplies alpha^delta <alpha^{gamma'} <alpha^gamma$ $impliesalpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'} <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Let $xi:=alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'}$, then $alpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <xi <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Hence this defined $xi$ satisfies the requirement.
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:37








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            I got it! Could you please my reasoning in the first two comments?
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 11:25






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            @LeAnhDung Just did and it looks good to me :)
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            Nov 16 at 11:28






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            @LeAnhDung You're very welcome!
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            Nov 16 at 11:30











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          Let me provide a few more details. First let's prove the stated



          Lemma. Let $1 < alpha$, let $beta$ be a limit ordinal and let $A subseteq beta$ be cofinal. Then $a^beta = sup { a^gamma mid gamma in A }$.



          Proof. By definition of ordinal multiplication we have that $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$. Since ${alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } subseteq { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ we thus clearly have that $sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } le alpha^beta$.



          Conversely let $xi < alpha^beta$. Since $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ there is some $gamma < beta$ such that $xi < alpha^gamma$. Now, since $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal, there is some $gamma < gamma^* in A$. Since $gamma mapsto alpha^gamma$ is increasing, we have that $$xi < alpha^gamma < alpha^{gamma^*} le sup { alpha^{delta} mid delta in A }.$$



          Thus $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A }$. Q.E.D.



          Now to the main event:



          Lemma. Let $alpha > 1$, $beta, gamma$ be ordinals. Then $alpha^{beta + gamma} = alpha^{beta} cdot alpha^{gamma}$.



          Proof. We proceed by induction on $gamma$ and only consider the limit case. (As seen in the original post, the case $gamma = delta + 1$ is easy.)



          We have
          $$
          begin{align*}
          alpha^{beta + gamma } &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid delta < beta + gamma } && beta + gamma text{ is a limit ordinal} \
          &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid beta le delta < beta + gamma } && text{ see lemma above} \
          &= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} mid delta < gamma } && text{every } beta le delta < beta + gamma text{ can be written as } delta = beta + delta^* text{ for a unique } delta^* < gamma \
          &= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } && text{ induction hypothesis}
          end{align*}
          $$

          It remains to be seen that $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } = alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Let $delta < gamma$. Then $alpha^delta < alpha^gamma$. Since $(xi, eta) mapsto xi cdot eta$ is increasing in the second coordinate, it follows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ and thus $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } le alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Conversely, let $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$. Since $cdot$ is increasing in the second coordinate, there is then some $eta < alpha^gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot eta$. Since $alpha^gamma = sup { alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ there is moreover some $delta < gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta$. This shows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma le sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ and hence the desired equality. Q.E.D.






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          • Please check if i correctly understand your ideas! It follows from $gamma$ is a limit ordinal that $alpha^gamma$ and $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ are limit ordinals too. Then $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma=sup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$. Since we want to show $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } lesup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$, it suffices to show that $forall delta < gamma, exists xi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma:alpha^beta cdot alpha^deltalexi$. [...]
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:36










          • [...] We prove this as follows. $gamma$ is a limit ordinal $impliesforalldelta<gamma,existsgamma':delta<gamma'<gammaimplies alpha^delta <alpha^{gamma'} <alpha^gamma$ $impliesalpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'} <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Let $xi:=alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'}$, then $alpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <xi <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Hence this defined $xi$ satisfies the requirement.
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:37








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            I got it! Could you please my reasoning in the first two comments?
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 11:25






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            @LeAnhDung Just did and it looks good to me :)
            – Stefan Mesken
            Nov 16 at 11:28






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            @LeAnhDung You're very welcome!
            – Stefan Mesken
            Nov 16 at 11:30















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          Let me provide a few more details. First let's prove the stated



          Lemma. Let $1 < alpha$, let $beta$ be a limit ordinal and let $A subseteq beta$ be cofinal. Then $a^beta = sup { a^gamma mid gamma in A }$.



          Proof. By definition of ordinal multiplication we have that $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$. Since ${alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } subseteq { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ we thus clearly have that $sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } le alpha^beta$.



          Conversely let $xi < alpha^beta$. Since $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ there is some $gamma < beta$ such that $xi < alpha^gamma$. Now, since $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal, there is some $gamma < gamma^* in A$. Since $gamma mapsto alpha^gamma$ is increasing, we have that $$xi < alpha^gamma < alpha^{gamma^*} le sup { alpha^{delta} mid delta in A }.$$



          Thus $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A }$. Q.E.D.



          Now to the main event:



          Lemma. Let $alpha > 1$, $beta, gamma$ be ordinals. Then $alpha^{beta + gamma} = alpha^{beta} cdot alpha^{gamma}$.



          Proof. We proceed by induction on $gamma$ and only consider the limit case. (As seen in the original post, the case $gamma = delta + 1$ is easy.)



          We have
          $$
          begin{align*}
          alpha^{beta + gamma } &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid delta < beta + gamma } && beta + gamma text{ is a limit ordinal} \
          &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid beta le delta < beta + gamma } && text{ see lemma above} \
          &= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} mid delta < gamma } && text{every } beta le delta < beta + gamma text{ can be written as } delta = beta + delta^* text{ for a unique } delta^* < gamma \
          &= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } && text{ induction hypothesis}
          end{align*}
          $$

          It remains to be seen that $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } = alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Let $delta < gamma$. Then $alpha^delta < alpha^gamma$. Since $(xi, eta) mapsto xi cdot eta$ is increasing in the second coordinate, it follows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ and thus $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } le alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Conversely, let $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$. Since $cdot$ is increasing in the second coordinate, there is then some $eta < alpha^gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot eta$. Since $alpha^gamma = sup { alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ there is moreover some $delta < gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta$. This shows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma le sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ and hence the desired equality. Q.E.D.






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          • Please check if i correctly understand your ideas! It follows from $gamma$ is a limit ordinal that $alpha^gamma$ and $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ are limit ordinals too. Then $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma=sup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$. Since we want to show $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } lesup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$, it suffices to show that $forall delta < gamma, exists xi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma:alpha^beta cdot alpha^deltalexi$. [...]
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:36










          • [...] We prove this as follows. $gamma$ is a limit ordinal $impliesforalldelta<gamma,existsgamma':delta<gamma'<gammaimplies alpha^delta <alpha^{gamma'} <alpha^gamma$ $impliesalpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'} <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Let $xi:=alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'}$, then $alpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <xi <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Hence this defined $xi$ satisfies the requirement.
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:37








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            I got it! Could you please my reasoning in the first two comments?
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 11:25






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            @LeAnhDung Just did and it looks good to me :)
            – Stefan Mesken
            Nov 16 at 11:28






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            @LeAnhDung You're very welcome!
            – Stefan Mesken
            Nov 16 at 11:30













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          Let me provide a few more details. First let's prove the stated



          Lemma. Let $1 < alpha$, let $beta$ be a limit ordinal and let $A subseteq beta$ be cofinal. Then $a^beta = sup { a^gamma mid gamma in A }$.



          Proof. By definition of ordinal multiplication we have that $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$. Since ${alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } subseteq { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ we thus clearly have that $sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } le alpha^beta$.



          Conversely let $xi < alpha^beta$. Since $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ there is some $gamma < beta$ such that $xi < alpha^gamma$. Now, since $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal, there is some $gamma < gamma^* in A$. Since $gamma mapsto alpha^gamma$ is increasing, we have that $$xi < alpha^gamma < alpha^{gamma^*} le sup { alpha^{delta} mid delta in A }.$$



          Thus $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A }$. Q.E.D.



          Now to the main event:



          Lemma. Let $alpha > 1$, $beta, gamma$ be ordinals. Then $alpha^{beta + gamma} = alpha^{beta} cdot alpha^{gamma}$.



          Proof. We proceed by induction on $gamma$ and only consider the limit case. (As seen in the original post, the case $gamma = delta + 1$ is easy.)



          We have
          $$
          begin{align*}
          alpha^{beta + gamma } &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid delta < beta + gamma } && beta + gamma text{ is a limit ordinal} \
          &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid beta le delta < beta + gamma } && text{ see lemma above} \
          &= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} mid delta < gamma } && text{every } beta le delta < beta + gamma text{ can be written as } delta = beta + delta^* text{ for a unique } delta^* < gamma \
          &= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } && text{ induction hypothesis}
          end{align*}
          $$

          It remains to be seen that $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } = alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Let $delta < gamma$. Then $alpha^delta < alpha^gamma$. Since $(xi, eta) mapsto xi cdot eta$ is increasing in the second coordinate, it follows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ and thus $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } le alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Conversely, let $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$. Since $cdot$ is increasing in the second coordinate, there is then some $eta < alpha^gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot eta$. Since $alpha^gamma = sup { alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ there is moreover some $delta < gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta$. This shows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma le sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ and hence the desired equality. Q.E.D.






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          Let me provide a few more details. First let's prove the stated



          Lemma. Let $1 < alpha$, let $beta$ be a limit ordinal and let $A subseteq beta$ be cofinal. Then $a^beta = sup { a^gamma mid gamma in A }$.



          Proof. By definition of ordinal multiplication we have that $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$. Since ${alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } subseteq { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ we thus clearly have that $sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A } le alpha^beta$.



          Conversely let $xi < alpha^beta$. Since $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma < beta }$ there is some $gamma < beta$ such that $xi < alpha^gamma$. Now, since $A subseteq beta$ is cofinal, there is some $gamma < gamma^* in A$. Since $gamma mapsto alpha^gamma$ is increasing, we have that $$xi < alpha^gamma < alpha^{gamma^*} le sup { alpha^{delta} mid delta in A }.$$



          Thus $alpha^beta = sup { alpha^gamma mid gamma in A }$. Q.E.D.



          Now to the main event:



          Lemma. Let $alpha > 1$, $beta, gamma$ be ordinals. Then $alpha^{beta + gamma} = alpha^{beta} cdot alpha^{gamma}$.



          Proof. We proceed by induction on $gamma$ and only consider the limit case. (As seen in the original post, the case $gamma = delta + 1$ is easy.)



          We have
          $$
          begin{align*}
          alpha^{beta + gamma } &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid delta < beta + gamma } && beta + gamma text{ is a limit ordinal} \
          &= sup{ alpha^ delta mid beta le delta < beta + gamma } && text{ see lemma above} \
          &= sup { alpha^{beta + delta} mid delta < gamma } && text{every } beta le delta < beta + gamma text{ can be written as } delta = beta + delta^* text{ for a unique } delta^* < gamma \
          &= sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } && text{ induction hypothesis}
          end{align*}
          $$

          It remains to be seen that $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } = alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Let $delta < gamma$. Then $alpha^delta < alpha^gamma$. Since $(xi, eta) mapsto xi cdot eta$ is increasing in the second coordinate, it follows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ and thus $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } le alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$.



          Conversely, let $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$. Since $cdot$ is increasing in the second coordinate, there is then some $eta < alpha^gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot eta$. Since $alpha^gamma = sup { alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ there is moreover some $delta < gamma$ such that $xi < alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta$. This shows that $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma le sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma }$ and hence the desired equality. Q.E.D.







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          • Please check if i correctly understand your ideas! It follows from $gamma$ is a limit ordinal that $alpha^gamma$ and $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ are limit ordinals too. Then $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma=sup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$. Since we want to show $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } lesup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$, it suffices to show that $forall delta < gamma, exists xi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma:alpha^beta cdot alpha^deltalexi$. [...]
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:36










          • [...] We prove this as follows. $gamma$ is a limit ordinal $impliesforalldelta<gamma,existsgamma':delta<gamma'<gammaimplies alpha^delta <alpha^{gamma'} <alpha^gamma$ $impliesalpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'} <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Let $xi:=alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'}$, then $alpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <xi <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Hence this defined $xi$ satisfies the requirement.
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:37








          • 1




            I got it! Could you please my reasoning in the first two comments?
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 11:25






          • 1




            @LeAnhDung Just did and it looks good to me :)
            – Stefan Mesken
            Nov 16 at 11:28






          • 1




            @LeAnhDung You're very welcome!
            – Stefan Mesken
            Nov 16 at 11:30


















          • Please check if i correctly understand your ideas! It follows from $gamma$ is a limit ordinal that $alpha^gamma$ and $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ are limit ordinals too. Then $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma=sup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$. Since we want to show $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } lesup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$, it suffices to show that $forall delta < gamma, exists xi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma:alpha^beta cdot alpha^deltalexi$. [...]
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:36










          • [...] We prove this as follows. $gamma$ is a limit ordinal $impliesforalldelta<gamma,existsgamma':delta<gamma'<gammaimplies alpha^delta <alpha^{gamma'} <alpha^gamma$ $impliesalpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'} <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Let $xi:=alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'}$, then $alpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <xi <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Hence this defined $xi$ satisfies the requirement.
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 2:37








          • 1




            I got it! Could you please my reasoning in the first two comments?
            – Le Anh Dung
            Nov 16 at 11:25






          • 1




            @LeAnhDung Just did and it looks good to me :)
            – Stefan Mesken
            Nov 16 at 11:28






          • 1




            @LeAnhDung You're very welcome!
            – Stefan Mesken
            Nov 16 at 11:30
















          Please check if i correctly understand your ideas! It follows from $gamma$ is a limit ordinal that $alpha^gamma$ and $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ are limit ordinals too. Then $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma=sup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$. Since we want to show $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } lesup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$, it suffices to show that $forall delta < gamma, exists xi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma:alpha^beta cdot alpha^deltalexi$. [...]
          – Le Anh Dung
          Nov 16 at 2:36




          Please check if i correctly understand your ideas! It follows from $gamma$ is a limit ordinal that $alpha^gamma$ and $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma$ are limit ordinals too. Then $alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma=sup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$. Since we want to show $sup { alpha^beta cdot alpha^delta mid delta < gamma } lesup {ximidxi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma}$, it suffices to show that $forall delta < gamma, exists xi<alpha^beta cdot alpha^gamma:alpha^beta cdot alpha^deltalexi$. [...]
          – Le Anh Dung
          Nov 16 at 2:36












          [...] We prove this as follows. $gamma$ is a limit ordinal $impliesforalldelta<gamma,existsgamma':delta<gamma'<gammaimplies alpha^delta <alpha^{gamma'} <alpha^gamma$ $impliesalpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'} <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Let $xi:=alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'}$, then $alpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <xi <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Hence this defined $xi$ satisfies the requirement.
          – Le Anh Dung
          Nov 16 at 2:37






          [...] We prove this as follows. $gamma$ is a limit ordinal $impliesforalldelta<gamma,existsgamma':delta<gamma'<gammaimplies alpha^delta <alpha^{gamma'} <alpha^gamma$ $impliesalpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'} <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Let $xi:=alpha^beta cdotalpha^{gamma'}$, then $alpha^beta cdotalpha^delta <xi <alpha^beta cdotalpha^gamma$. Hence this defined $xi$ satisfies the requirement.
          – Le Anh Dung
          Nov 16 at 2:37






          1




          1




          I got it! Could you please my reasoning in the first two comments?
          – Le Anh Dung
          Nov 16 at 11:25




          I got it! Could you please my reasoning in the first two comments?
          – Le Anh Dung
          Nov 16 at 11:25




          1




          1




          @LeAnhDung Just did and it looks good to me :)
          – Stefan Mesken
          Nov 16 at 11:28




          @LeAnhDung Just did and it looks good to me :)
          – Stefan Mesken
          Nov 16 at 11:28




          1




          1




          @LeAnhDung You're very welcome!
          – Stefan Mesken
          Nov 16 at 11:30




          @LeAnhDung You're very welcome!
          – Stefan Mesken
          Nov 16 at 11:30


















           

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