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Converge or diverge? $sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {(ln n)^a}{n^b}$, $a > 0, b > 1$.




How do you approach this? Since every criteria I know gives $1$. What should I do?



$lim_{ntoinfty} frac {a_{n+1}}{a_n} = 1.$



$lim_{ntoinfty} (a_n)^{frac 1n} = 1.$



I think this should converge for every $a,b$ with the restriction in hypothesis, right?










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Converge or diverge? $sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {(ln n)^a}{n^b}$, $a > 0, b > 1$.




How do you approach this? Since every criteria I know gives $1$. What should I do?



$lim_{ntoinfty} frac {a_{n+1}}{a_n} = 1.$



$lim_{ntoinfty} (a_n)^{frac 1n} = 1.$



I think this should converge for every $a,b$ with the restriction in hypothesis, right?










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  • Hint: For large enough $n$ we have $(ln n)^a<n^{(b-1)/2}$.
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Converge or diverge? $sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {(ln n)^a}{n^b}$, $a > 0, b > 1$.




How do you approach this? Since every criteria I know gives $1$. What should I do?



$lim_{ntoinfty} frac {a_{n+1}}{a_n} = 1.$



$lim_{ntoinfty} (a_n)^{frac 1n} = 1.$



I think this should converge for every $a,b$ with the restriction in hypothesis, right?










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Converge or diverge? $sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {(ln n)^a}{n^b}$, $a > 0, b > 1$.




How do you approach this? Since every criteria I know gives $1$. What should I do?



$lim_{ntoinfty} frac {a_{n+1}}{a_n} = 1.$



$lim_{ntoinfty} (a_n)^{frac 1n} = 1.$



I think this should converge for every $a,b$ with the restriction in hypothesis, right?







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  • Hint: For large enough $n$ we have $(ln n)^a<n^{(b-1)/2}$.
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Hint: For large enough $n$ we have $(ln n)^a<n^{(b-1)/2}$.
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Hint Apply the integral test, that is, consider the convergence of $$int_1^{infty} frac{log^a x ,dx}{x^b} = int_0^{infty} u^a e^{(1 - b) u} du .$$






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  • is that looking the same as Gamma Function?
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  • It can be transformed into an expression involving the Gamma function, yes.
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  • (...but one doesn't need to know that to check convergence.)
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Write $b=1+2ac$ with $cgt0$. Then show that



$${(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^ato0$$



Remarks (added later): What we're really after is an inequality of the form



$${(ln n)^aover n^b}le{Bover n^{1+p}}$$



for some $pgt0$, in which case the convergence of $sum{1over n^{1+p}}$ guarantees the convergence of $sum{(ln n)^aover n^b}$. So to be explicit, if we write $b=1+2ac$ and $p=ac$ (with $c={b-1over2a}gt0$), then we have



$${(ln n)^a/n^bover1/n^{1+p}}={(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^a=left(ln n^cover cn^cright)^aleleft(1over ce right)^a$$



where we use the fact that $f(x)={ln xover x}$ attains its maximum at $x=e$, where $f(e)={1over e}$. It follows that



$$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(1over ce right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+ac}}ltinfty$$



where $c={b-1over2a}$. Writing it without the $c$, it's



$$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(2aover (b-1)e right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+(b-1)/2}}ltinfty$$






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  • Woah, woah, slow down, why did you wrote it like that? to get the same power? and also why you need the $c$? Why the $2$? and what is the intuition behind that?
    – C. Cristi
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  • And why it is enough to show that it tends to $0$?
    – C. Cristi
    Nov 15 at 15:28










  • I wrote it that way just to make things look nice. It's actually enough to show that the ratio is ultimately bounded, at which point ${(ln n)^aover n^{1+2ac}}lt{Bover n^{1+ac}}$ shows that given series is bounded by a convergent series.
    – Barry Cipra
    Nov 15 at 17:02












  • I don't think that's enough for me, can you be more explicit?
    – C. Cristi
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By Cauchy condensation test the condensed series is



$$sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {2^n(ln 2^n)^a}{2^{bn}}=sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {n^aln^a 2}{2^{n(b-1)}}$$



which converges for $b>1$.






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    Hint Apply the integral test, that is, consider the convergence of $$int_1^{infty} frac{log^a x ,dx}{x^b} = int_0^{infty} u^a e^{(1 - b) u} du .$$






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    • is that looking the same as Gamma Function?
      – C. Cristi
      yesterday










    • It can be transformed into an expression involving the Gamma function, yes.
      – Travis
      yesterday










    • (...but one doesn't need to know that to check convergence.)
      – Travis
      yesterday















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    Hint Apply the integral test, that is, consider the convergence of $$int_1^{infty} frac{log^a x ,dx}{x^b} = int_0^{infty} u^a e^{(1 - b) u} du .$$






    share|cite|improve this answer





















    • is that looking the same as Gamma Function?
      – C. Cristi
      yesterday










    • It can be transformed into an expression involving the Gamma function, yes.
      – Travis
      yesterday










    • (...but one doesn't need to know that to check convergence.)
      – Travis
      yesterday













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    Hint Apply the integral test, that is, consider the convergence of $$int_1^{infty} frac{log^a x ,dx}{x^b} = int_0^{infty} u^a e^{(1 - b) u} du .$$






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    Hint Apply the integral test, that is, consider the convergence of $$int_1^{infty} frac{log^a x ,dx}{x^b} = int_0^{infty} u^a e^{(1 - b) u} du .$$







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    • is that looking the same as Gamma Function?
      – C. Cristi
      yesterday










    • It can be transformed into an expression involving the Gamma function, yes.
      – Travis
      yesterday










    • (...but one doesn't need to know that to check convergence.)
      – Travis
      yesterday


















    • is that looking the same as Gamma Function?
      – C. Cristi
      yesterday










    • It can be transformed into an expression involving the Gamma function, yes.
      – Travis
      yesterday










    • (...but one doesn't need to know that to check convergence.)
      – Travis
      yesterday
















    is that looking the same as Gamma Function?
    – C. Cristi
    yesterday




    is that looking the same as Gamma Function?
    – C. Cristi
    yesterday












    It can be transformed into an expression involving the Gamma function, yes.
    – Travis
    yesterday




    It can be transformed into an expression involving the Gamma function, yes.
    – Travis
    yesterday












    (...but one doesn't need to know that to check convergence.)
    – Travis
    yesterday




    (...but one doesn't need to know that to check convergence.)
    – Travis
    yesterday










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    Write $b=1+2ac$ with $cgt0$. Then show that



    $${(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^ato0$$



    Remarks (added later): What we're really after is an inequality of the form



    $${(ln n)^aover n^b}le{Bover n^{1+p}}$$



    for some $pgt0$, in which case the convergence of $sum{1over n^{1+p}}$ guarantees the convergence of $sum{(ln n)^aover n^b}$. So to be explicit, if we write $b=1+2ac$ and $p=ac$ (with $c={b-1over2a}gt0$), then we have



    $${(ln n)^a/n^bover1/n^{1+p}}={(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^a=left(ln n^cover cn^cright)^aleleft(1over ce right)^a$$



    where we use the fact that $f(x)={ln xover x}$ attains its maximum at $x=e$, where $f(e)={1over e}$. It follows that



    $$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(1over ce right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+ac}}ltinfty$$



    where $c={b-1over2a}$. Writing it without the $c$, it's



    $$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(2aover (b-1)e right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+(b-1)/2}}ltinfty$$






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    • Woah, woah, slow down, why did you wrote it like that? to get the same power? and also why you need the $c$? Why the $2$? and what is the intuition behind that?
      – C. Cristi
      Nov 15 at 15:27












    • And why it is enough to show that it tends to $0$?
      – C. Cristi
      Nov 15 at 15:28










    • I wrote it that way just to make things look nice. It's actually enough to show that the ratio is ultimately bounded, at which point ${(ln n)^aover n^{1+2ac}}lt{Bover n^{1+ac}}$ shows that given series is bounded by a convergent series.
      – Barry Cipra
      Nov 15 at 17:02












    • I don't think that's enough for me, can you be more explicit?
      – C. Cristi
      yesterday















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    Write $b=1+2ac$ with $cgt0$. Then show that



    $${(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^ato0$$



    Remarks (added later): What we're really after is an inequality of the form



    $${(ln n)^aover n^b}le{Bover n^{1+p}}$$



    for some $pgt0$, in which case the convergence of $sum{1over n^{1+p}}$ guarantees the convergence of $sum{(ln n)^aover n^b}$. So to be explicit, if we write $b=1+2ac$ and $p=ac$ (with $c={b-1over2a}gt0$), then we have



    $${(ln n)^a/n^bover1/n^{1+p}}={(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^a=left(ln n^cover cn^cright)^aleleft(1over ce right)^a$$



    where we use the fact that $f(x)={ln xover x}$ attains its maximum at $x=e$, where $f(e)={1over e}$. It follows that



    $$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(1over ce right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+ac}}ltinfty$$



    where $c={b-1over2a}$. Writing it without the $c$, it's



    $$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(2aover (b-1)e right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+(b-1)/2}}ltinfty$$






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    • Woah, woah, slow down, why did you wrote it like that? to get the same power? and also why you need the $c$? Why the $2$? and what is the intuition behind that?
      – C. Cristi
      Nov 15 at 15:27












    • And why it is enough to show that it tends to $0$?
      – C. Cristi
      Nov 15 at 15:28










    • I wrote it that way just to make things look nice. It's actually enough to show that the ratio is ultimately bounded, at which point ${(ln n)^aover n^{1+2ac}}lt{Bover n^{1+ac}}$ shows that given series is bounded by a convergent series.
      – Barry Cipra
      Nov 15 at 17:02












    • I don't think that's enough for me, can you be more explicit?
      – C. Cristi
      yesterday













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    Write $b=1+2ac$ with $cgt0$. Then show that



    $${(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^ato0$$



    Remarks (added later): What we're really after is an inequality of the form



    $${(ln n)^aover n^b}le{Bover n^{1+p}}$$



    for some $pgt0$, in which case the convergence of $sum{1over n^{1+p}}$ guarantees the convergence of $sum{(ln n)^aover n^b}$. So to be explicit, if we write $b=1+2ac$ and $p=ac$ (with $c={b-1over2a}gt0$), then we have



    $${(ln n)^a/n^bover1/n^{1+p}}={(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^a=left(ln n^cover cn^cright)^aleleft(1over ce right)^a$$



    where we use the fact that $f(x)={ln xover x}$ attains its maximum at $x=e$, where $f(e)={1over e}$. It follows that



    $$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(1over ce right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+ac}}ltinfty$$



    where $c={b-1over2a}$. Writing it without the $c$, it's



    $$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(2aover (b-1)e right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+(b-1)/2}}ltinfty$$






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    Write $b=1+2ac$ with $cgt0$. Then show that



    $${(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^ato0$$



    Remarks (added later): What we're really after is an inequality of the form



    $${(ln n)^aover n^b}le{Bover n^{1+p}}$$



    for some $pgt0$, in which case the convergence of $sum{1over n^{1+p}}$ guarantees the convergence of $sum{(ln n)^aover n^b}$. So to be explicit, if we write $b=1+2ac$ and $p=ac$ (with $c={b-1over2a}gt0$), then we have



    $${(ln n)^a/n^bover1/n^{1+p}}={(ln n)^a/n^{1+2ac}over1/n^{1+ac}}=left(ln nover n^cright)^a=left(ln n^cover cn^cright)^aleleft(1over ce right)^a$$



    where we use the fact that $f(x)={ln xover x}$ attains its maximum at $x=e$, where $f(e)={1over e}$. It follows that



    $$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(1over ce right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+ac}}ltinfty$$



    where $c={b-1over2a}$. Writing it without the $c$, it's



    $$sum_{n=1}^infty{(ln n)^aover n^b}leleft(2aover (b-1)e right)^asum_{n=1}^infty{1over n^{1+(b-1)/2}}ltinfty$$







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    • Woah, woah, slow down, why did you wrote it like that? to get the same power? and also why you need the $c$? Why the $2$? and what is the intuition behind that?
      – C. Cristi
      Nov 15 at 15:27












    • And why it is enough to show that it tends to $0$?
      – C. Cristi
      Nov 15 at 15:28










    • I wrote it that way just to make things look nice. It's actually enough to show that the ratio is ultimately bounded, at which point ${(ln n)^aover n^{1+2ac}}lt{Bover n^{1+ac}}$ shows that given series is bounded by a convergent series.
      – Barry Cipra
      Nov 15 at 17:02












    • I don't think that's enough for me, can you be more explicit?
      – C. Cristi
      yesterday


















    • Woah, woah, slow down, why did you wrote it like that? to get the same power? and also why you need the $c$? Why the $2$? and what is the intuition behind that?
      – C. Cristi
      Nov 15 at 15:27












    • And why it is enough to show that it tends to $0$?
      – C. Cristi
      Nov 15 at 15:28










    • I wrote it that way just to make things look nice. It's actually enough to show that the ratio is ultimately bounded, at which point ${(ln n)^aover n^{1+2ac}}lt{Bover n^{1+ac}}$ shows that given series is bounded by a convergent series.
      – Barry Cipra
      Nov 15 at 17:02












    • I don't think that's enough for me, can you be more explicit?
      – C. Cristi
      yesterday
















    Woah, woah, slow down, why did you wrote it like that? to get the same power? and also why you need the $c$? Why the $2$? and what is the intuition behind that?
    – C. Cristi
    Nov 15 at 15:27






    Woah, woah, slow down, why did you wrote it like that? to get the same power? and also why you need the $c$? Why the $2$? and what is the intuition behind that?
    – C. Cristi
    Nov 15 at 15:27














    And why it is enough to show that it tends to $0$?
    – C. Cristi
    Nov 15 at 15:28




    And why it is enough to show that it tends to $0$?
    – C. Cristi
    Nov 15 at 15:28












    I wrote it that way just to make things look nice. It's actually enough to show that the ratio is ultimately bounded, at which point ${(ln n)^aover n^{1+2ac}}lt{Bover n^{1+ac}}$ shows that given series is bounded by a convergent series.
    – Barry Cipra
    Nov 15 at 17:02






    I wrote it that way just to make things look nice. It's actually enough to show that the ratio is ultimately bounded, at which point ${(ln n)^aover n^{1+2ac}}lt{Bover n^{1+ac}}$ shows that given series is bounded by a convergent series.
    – Barry Cipra
    Nov 15 at 17:02














    I don't think that's enough for me, can you be more explicit?
    – C. Cristi
    yesterday




    I don't think that's enough for me, can you be more explicit?
    – C. Cristi
    yesterday










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    By Cauchy condensation test the condensed series is



    $$sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {2^n(ln 2^n)^a}{2^{bn}}=sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {n^aln^a 2}{2^{n(b-1)}}$$



    which converges for $b>1$.






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      By Cauchy condensation test the condensed series is



      $$sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {2^n(ln 2^n)^a}{2^{bn}}=sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {n^aln^a 2}{2^{n(b-1)}}$$



      which converges for $b>1$.






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        By Cauchy condensation test the condensed series is



        $$sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {2^n(ln 2^n)^a}{2^{bn}}=sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {n^aln^a 2}{2^{n(b-1)}}$$



        which converges for $b>1$.






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        By Cauchy condensation test the condensed series is



        $$sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {2^n(ln 2^n)^a}{2^{bn}}=sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac {n^aln^a 2}{2^{n(b-1)}}$$



        which converges for $b>1$.







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