$dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0 nRightarrow f(x,y) = g(x) + h(y)$
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I am working through Ted Shifrin's book Multivariable Mathematics. There is an exercise problem that is meant to demonstrate that one can have
$dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0$ but$ f(x,y) neq g(x) + h(y)$.
The question (3.6.11) is as follows:
$$ mathrm{Given} ; f(x, y) = begin{cases} 0, ; x < 0; mathrm{or} ; y < 0 \x^3, ; x geq 0 ; mathrm{and} ; y > 0 end{cases} $$
Show that $f$ is $C^2$
Show that $dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0$
Show that $f(x,y)$ cannot be written as $g(x) + h(y)$ for appropriate functions $g, h$.
I see that the domain is the entire plane except the x-axis, that is $mathbb{R}^2 -{y=0}$.
The function is then 0 in all quadrants except the first, where it is $x^3$.
I could show 1. and 2. above, but I am puzzled by two things.
Q1 What's wrong with writing $f(x,y) = g(x) + h(y)$ piecewise in each quadrant ?
Q2. Will anything change if the domain allows the line $y=0$ also ?
Q3. What is the takeaway from this problem ? I do not understand that.
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I am working through Ted Shifrin's book Multivariable Mathematics. There is an exercise problem that is meant to demonstrate that one can have
$dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0$ but$ f(x,y) neq g(x) + h(y)$.
The question (3.6.11) is as follows:
$$ mathrm{Given} ; f(x, y) = begin{cases} 0, ; x < 0; mathrm{or} ; y < 0 \x^3, ; x geq 0 ; mathrm{and} ; y > 0 end{cases} $$
Show that $f$ is $C^2$
Show that $dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0$
Show that $f(x,y)$ cannot be written as $g(x) + h(y)$ for appropriate functions $g, h$.
I see that the domain is the entire plane except the x-axis, that is $mathbb{R}^2 -{y=0}$.
The function is then 0 in all quadrants except the first, where it is $x^3$.
I could show 1. and 2. above, but I am puzzled by two things.
Q1 What's wrong with writing $f(x,y) = g(x) + h(y)$ piecewise in each quadrant ?
Q2. Will anything change if the domain allows the line $y=0$ also ?
Q3. What is the takeaway from this problem ? I do not understand that.
real-analysis multivariable-calculus derivatives partial-derivative
For Q2, note that $lim_{yrightarrow0^{+}}f(1,y)=1$, whereas $lim_{yrightarrow0^{-}}f(1,y)=0$, so the function cannot be continuously extended to the positive x-axis. The function is already defined equal to 0 on the negative x-axis, by the first piecewise condition.
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Nov 16 at 21:57
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I am working through Ted Shifrin's book Multivariable Mathematics. There is an exercise problem that is meant to demonstrate that one can have
$dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0$ but$ f(x,y) neq g(x) + h(y)$.
The question (3.6.11) is as follows:
$$ mathrm{Given} ; f(x, y) = begin{cases} 0, ; x < 0; mathrm{or} ; y < 0 \x^3, ; x geq 0 ; mathrm{and} ; y > 0 end{cases} $$
Show that $f$ is $C^2$
Show that $dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0$
Show that $f(x,y)$ cannot be written as $g(x) + h(y)$ for appropriate functions $g, h$.
I see that the domain is the entire plane except the x-axis, that is $mathbb{R}^2 -{y=0}$.
The function is then 0 in all quadrants except the first, where it is $x^3$.
I could show 1. and 2. above, but I am puzzled by two things.
Q1 What's wrong with writing $f(x,y) = g(x) + h(y)$ piecewise in each quadrant ?
Q2. Will anything change if the domain allows the line $y=0$ also ?
Q3. What is the takeaway from this problem ? I do not understand that.
real-analysis multivariable-calculus derivatives partial-derivative
I am working through Ted Shifrin's book Multivariable Mathematics. There is an exercise problem that is meant to demonstrate that one can have
$dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0$ but$ f(x,y) neq g(x) + h(y)$.
The question (3.6.11) is as follows:
$$ mathrm{Given} ; f(x, y) = begin{cases} 0, ; x < 0; mathrm{or} ; y < 0 \x^3, ; x geq 0 ; mathrm{and} ; y > 0 end{cases} $$
Show that $f$ is $C^2$
Show that $dfrac{partial^2 f}{partial x partial y} = 0$
Show that $f(x,y)$ cannot be written as $g(x) + h(y)$ for appropriate functions $g, h$.
I see that the domain is the entire plane except the x-axis, that is $mathbb{R}^2 -{y=0}$.
The function is then 0 in all quadrants except the first, where it is $x^3$.
I could show 1. and 2. above, but I am puzzled by two things.
Q1 What's wrong with writing $f(x,y) = g(x) + h(y)$ piecewise in each quadrant ?
Q2. Will anything change if the domain allows the line $y=0$ also ?
Q3. What is the takeaway from this problem ? I do not understand that.
real-analysis multivariable-calculus derivatives partial-derivative
real-analysis multivariable-calculus derivatives partial-derivative
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For Q2, note that $lim_{yrightarrow0^{+}}f(1,y)=1$, whereas $lim_{yrightarrow0^{-}}f(1,y)=0$, so the function cannot be continuously extended to the positive x-axis. The function is already defined equal to 0 on the negative x-axis, by the first piecewise condition.
– Leland Reardon
Nov 16 at 21:57
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For Q2, note that $lim_{yrightarrow0^{+}}f(1,y)=1$, whereas $lim_{yrightarrow0^{-}}f(1,y)=0$, so the function cannot be continuously extended to the positive x-axis. The function is already defined equal to 0 on the negative x-axis, by the first piecewise condition.
– Leland Reardon
Nov 16 at 21:57
For Q2, note that $lim_{yrightarrow0^{+}}f(1,y)=1$, whereas $lim_{yrightarrow0^{-}}f(1,y)=0$, so the function cannot be continuously extended to the positive x-axis. The function is already defined equal to 0 on the negative x-axis, by the first piecewise condition.
– Leland Reardon
Nov 16 at 21:57
For Q2, note that $lim_{yrightarrow0^{+}}f(1,y)=1$, whereas $lim_{yrightarrow0^{-}}f(1,y)=0$, so the function cannot be continuously extended to the positive x-axis. The function is already defined equal to 0 on the negative x-axis, by the first piecewise condition.
– Leland Reardon
Nov 16 at 21:57
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For Q1; defining the quadrants requires both $x$ and $y$. For example, defining
$$g(x):=left{begin{array}{ll}
0 &text{ if } x<0 text{ or } ; y < 0, \
x^3 &text{ if } xgeq0 ; text{ and } ; y > 0.
end{array}right.,$$
does not make sense as now $g(x)$ depends on $y$. More formally; if $f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y)$ then for all $(x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)inBbb{R}^2$ we have
$$f(x_1,y_1)+f(x_2,y_2)-f(x_1,y_2)-f(x_2,y_2)=0.$$
But this is clearly not the case, take for example $x_1=y_1=1$ and $x_2=y_2=-1$.
For Q2; the given function $f(x,y)$ does not extend to a function differentiable on $Bbb{R}^2$. There are no functions with this property that are differentiable on all of $Bbb{R}^2$. See also this excellent answer.
For Q3; the takeaway is that the implication
$$frac{partial^2f}{partial xpartial y}=0
qquadRightarrowqquad
f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y),$$
depends crucially on the domain; it holds if the domain is $Bbb{R}^2$, but not if the domain is, for example, a disconnected subset of $Bbb{R}^2$.
Could you provide an example of a function like that defined on all of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?
– me10240
Nov 16 at 22:51
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. It must be time for bed, let me correct my answer first.
– Servaes
Nov 16 at 23:06
The bit about the domain of g(x) needing to be described by y is just mindblowing, many thanks to you for the answer, and to Professor Shifrin for the question. Its easy to forget that a function and its domain are inseparable.
– me10240
Nov 17 at 1:56
I think Q1 has to be answered in affirmative. E.g. for the first quadrant $f(x,y)=x^3+0$, so is $g(x)=x^3$ and $h(y)=0$
– Rafa Budría
Nov 17 at 11:13
@RafaBudría I do not understand; Q1 is not a yes/no question.
– Servaes
Nov 17 at 11:22
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For Q1; defining the quadrants requires both $x$ and $y$. For example, defining
$$g(x):=left{begin{array}{ll}
0 &text{ if } x<0 text{ or } ; y < 0, \
x^3 &text{ if } xgeq0 ; text{ and } ; y > 0.
end{array}right.,$$
does not make sense as now $g(x)$ depends on $y$. More formally; if $f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y)$ then for all $(x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)inBbb{R}^2$ we have
$$f(x_1,y_1)+f(x_2,y_2)-f(x_1,y_2)-f(x_2,y_2)=0.$$
But this is clearly not the case, take for example $x_1=y_1=1$ and $x_2=y_2=-1$.
For Q2; the given function $f(x,y)$ does not extend to a function differentiable on $Bbb{R}^2$. There are no functions with this property that are differentiable on all of $Bbb{R}^2$. See also this excellent answer.
For Q3; the takeaway is that the implication
$$frac{partial^2f}{partial xpartial y}=0
qquadRightarrowqquad
f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y),$$
depends crucially on the domain; it holds if the domain is $Bbb{R}^2$, but not if the domain is, for example, a disconnected subset of $Bbb{R}^2$.
Could you provide an example of a function like that defined on all of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?
– me10240
Nov 16 at 22:51
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. It must be time for bed, let me correct my answer first.
– Servaes
Nov 16 at 23:06
The bit about the domain of g(x) needing to be described by y is just mindblowing, many thanks to you for the answer, and to Professor Shifrin for the question. Its easy to forget that a function and its domain are inseparable.
– me10240
Nov 17 at 1:56
I think Q1 has to be answered in affirmative. E.g. for the first quadrant $f(x,y)=x^3+0$, so is $g(x)=x^3$ and $h(y)=0$
– Rafa Budría
Nov 17 at 11:13
@RafaBudría I do not understand; Q1 is not a yes/no question.
– Servaes
Nov 17 at 11:22
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For Q1; defining the quadrants requires both $x$ and $y$. For example, defining
$$g(x):=left{begin{array}{ll}
0 &text{ if } x<0 text{ or } ; y < 0, \
x^3 &text{ if } xgeq0 ; text{ and } ; y > 0.
end{array}right.,$$
does not make sense as now $g(x)$ depends on $y$. More formally; if $f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y)$ then for all $(x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)inBbb{R}^2$ we have
$$f(x_1,y_1)+f(x_2,y_2)-f(x_1,y_2)-f(x_2,y_2)=0.$$
But this is clearly not the case, take for example $x_1=y_1=1$ and $x_2=y_2=-1$.
For Q2; the given function $f(x,y)$ does not extend to a function differentiable on $Bbb{R}^2$. There are no functions with this property that are differentiable on all of $Bbb{R}^2$. See also this excellent answer.
For Q3; the takeaway is that the implication
$$frac{partial^2f}{partial xpartial y}=0
qquadRightarrowqquad
f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y),$$
depends crucially on the domain; it holds if the domain is $Bbb{R}^2$, but not if the domain is, for example, a disconnected subset of $Bbb{R}^2$.
Could you provide an example of a function like that defined on all of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?
– me10240
Nov 16 at 22:51
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. It must be time for bed, let me correct my answer first.
– Servaes
Nov 16 at 23:06
The bit about the domain of g(x) needing to be described by y is just mindblowing, many thanks to you for the answer, and to Professor Shifrin for the question. Its easy to forget that a function and its domain are inseparable.
– me10240
Nov 17 at 1:56
I think Q1 has to be answered in affirmative. E.g. for the first quadrant $f(x,y)=x^3+0$, so is $g(x)=x^3$ and $h(y)=0$
– Rafa Budría
Nov 17 at 11:13
@RafaBudría I do not understand; Q1 is not a yes/no question.
– Servaes
Nov 17 at 11:22
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For Q1; defining the quadrants requires both $x$ and $y$. For example, defining
$$g(x):=left{begin{array}{ll}
0 &text{ if } x<0 text{ or } ; y < 0, \
x^3 &text{ if } xgeq0 ; text{ and } ; y > 0.
end{array}right.,$$
does not make sense as now $g(x)$ depends on $y$. More formally; if $f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y)$ then for all $(x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)inBbb{R}^2$ we have
$$f(x_1,y_1)+f(x_2,y_2)-f(x_1,y_2)-f(x_2,y_2)=0.$$
But this is clearly not the case, take for example $x_1=y_1=1$ and $x_2=y_2=-1$.
For Q2; the given function $f(x,y)$ does not extend to a function differentiable on $Bbb{R}^2$. There are no functions with this property that are differentiable on all of $Bbb{R}^2$. See also this excellent answer.
For Q3; the takeaway is that the implication
$$frac{partial^2f}{partial xpartial y}=0
qquadRightarrowqquad
f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y),$$
depends crucially on the domain; it holds if the domain is $Bbb{R}^2$, but not if the domain is, for example, a disconnected subset of $Bbb{R}^2$.
For Q1; defining the quadrants requires both $x$ and $y$. For example, defining
$$g(x):=left{begin{array}{ll}
0 &text{ if } x<0 text{ or } ; y < 0, \
x^3 &text{ if } xgeq0 ; text{ and } ; y > 0.
end{array}right.,$$
does not make sense as now $g(x)$ depends on $y$. More formally; if $f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y)$ then for all $(x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2)inBbb{R}^2$ we have
$$f(x_1,y_1)+f(x_2,y_2)-f(x_1,y_2)-f(x_2,y_2)=0.$$
But this is clearly not the case, take for example $x_1=y_1=1$ and $x_2=y_2=-1$.
For Q2; the given function $f(x,y)$ does not extend to a function differentiable on $Bbb{R}^2$. There are no functions with this property that are differentiable on all of $Bbb{R}^2$. See also this excellent answer.
For Q3; the takeaway is that the implication
$$frac{partial^2f}{partial xpartial y}=0
qquadRightarrowqquad
f(x,y)=g(x)+h(y),$$
depends crucially on the domain; it holds if the domain is $Bbb{R}^2$, but not if the domain is, for example, a disconnected subset of $Bbb{R}^2$.
edited Nov 16 at 23:08
answered Nov 16 at 22:43
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Could you provide an example of a function like that defined on all of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?
– me10240
Nov 16 at 22:51
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. It must be time for bed, let me correct my answer first.
– Servaes
Nov 16 at 23:06
The bit about the domain of g(x) needing to be described by y is just mindblowing, many thanks to you for the answer, and to Professor Shifrin for the question. Its easy to forget that a function and its domain are inseparable.
– me10240
Nov 17 at 1:56
I think Q1 has to be answered in affirmative. E.g. for the first quadrant $f(x,y)=x^3+0$, so is $g(x)=x^3$ and $h(y)=0$
– Rafa Budría
Nov 17 at 11:13
@RafaBudría I do not understand; Q1 is not a yes/no question.
– Servaes
Nov 17 at 11:22
|
show 1 more comment
Could you provide an example of a function like that defined on all of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?
– me10240
Nov 16 at 22:51
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. It must be time for bed, let me correct my answer first.
– Servaes
Nov 16 at 23:06
The bit about the domain of g(x) needing to be described by y is just mindblowing, many thanks to you for the answer, and to Professor Shifrin for the question. Its easy to forget that a function and its domain are inseparable.
– me10240
Nov 17 at 1:56
I think Q1 has to be answered in affirmative. E.g. for the first quadrant $f(x,y)=x^3+0$, so is $g(x)=x^3$ and $h(y)=0$
– Rafa Budría
Nov 17 at 11:13
@RafaBudría I do not understand; Q1 is not a yes/no question.
– Servaes
Nov 17 at 11:22
Could you provide an example of a function like that defined on all of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?
– me10240
Nov 16 at 22:51
Could you provide an example of a function like that defined on all of $mathbb{R}^2$ ?
– me10240
Nov 16 at 22:51
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. It must be time for bed, let me correct my answer first.
– Servaes
Nov 16 at 23:06
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. It must be time for bed, let me correct my answer first.
– Servaes
Nov 16 at 23:06
The bit about the domain of g(x) needing to be described by y is just mindblowing, many thanks to you for the answer, and to Professor Shifrin for the question. Its easy to forget that a function and its domain are inseparable.
– me10240
Nov 17 at 1:56
The bit about the domain of g(x) needing to be described by y is just mindblowing, many thanks to you for the answer, and to Professor Shifrin for the question. Its easy to forget that a function and its domain are inseparable.
– me10240
Nov 17 at 1:56
I think Q1 has to be answered in affirmative. E.g. for the first quadrant $f(x,y)=x^3+0$, so is $g(x)=x^3$ and $h(y)=0$
– Rafa Budría
Nov 17 at 11:13
I think Q1 has to be answered in affirmative. E.g. for the first quadrant $f(x,y)=x^3+0$, so is $g(x)=x^3$ and $h(y)=0$
– Rafa Budría
Nov 17 at 11:13
@RafaBudría I do not understand; Q1 is not a yes/no question.
– Servaes
Nov 17 at 11:22
@RafaBudría I do not understand; Q1 is not a yes/no question.
– Servaes
Nov 17 at 11:22
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For Q2, note that $lim_{yrightarrow0^{+}}f(1,y)=1$, whereas $lim_{yrightarrow0^{-}}f(1,y)=0$, so the function cannot be continuously extended to the positive x-axis. The function is already defined equal to 0 on the negative x-axis, by the first piecewise condition.
– Leland Reardon
Nov 16 at 21:57