Are there legal implications to lying about your sponsors?
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Let's say I release a video where I say "sponsored by Company C" even though they never sponsored me.
Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action protected by the First Amendment?
At first, I thought that mentioning Company C is like doing free advertising for them, so why would they care. However, if Company C doesn't want to be associated with me, and the alleged association damages their reputation, then maybe this counts as slander:
oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.
Since in this case, I wouldn't be blatantly saying a bad thing about the company (e.g. "their CEO is a murderer"), I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court that their reputation was damaged.
(this is also assuming that slander applies to companies)
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Let's say I release a video where I say "sponsored by Company C" even though they never sponsored me.
Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action protected by the First Amendment?
At first, I thought that mentioning Company C is like doing free advertising for them, so why would they care. However, if Company C doesn't want to be associated with me, and the alleged association damages their reputation, then maybe this counts as slander:
oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.
Since in this case, I wouldn't be blatantly saying a bad thing about the company (e.g. "their CEO is a murderer"), I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court that their reputation was damaged.
(this is also assuming that slander applies to companies)
defamation right-of-publicity competition free-speech
So just to clarify here: Is this video in jest or mocking something and the "sponsorship" is further mocking silliness. For example, SNL has a history of gag commercials for various products OR claim sponsorship by a product that wouldn't touch it (i.e. Ending a bit about the Evil Genius' Invention Contest by revealing it was an extended commercial for White Castle restaurants, because only they would serve such evil customers.). Or is this an actual product or serious endeavor that has not offered sponsorship to you? Context is important here.
– hszmv
yesterday
@hszmv The video is a funny/joke video, but it wouldn't be obvious that the comment about the sponsor is a joke (though it would be intended as a joke), since that company could reasonably be one that sponsors us.
– pushkin
yesterday
Than this would be Fair Use, specifically a parody, as it would be transformative enough to the message that the company was included. Mockery is a commonly accepted fair use that could be used to mock the company (i.e. There is a YouTube trend where people recut Disney Movies to make trailers for horror films with the scenes out of context). This could be commentary on how there is a lot of scary imagery in Disney films OR that the companies that make trailers will lie for numerous reasons.
– hszmv
yesterday
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Let's say I release a video where I say "sponsored by Company C" even though they never sponsored me.
Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action protected by the First Amendment?
At first, I thought that mentioning Company C is like doing free advertising for them, so why would they care. However, if Company C doesn't want to be associated with me, and the alleged association damages their reputation, then maybe this counts as slander:
oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.
Since in this case, I wouldn't be blatantly saying a bad thing about the company (e.g. "their CEO is a murderer"), I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court that their reputation was damaged.
(this is also assuming that slander applies to companies)
defamation right-of-publicity competition free-speech
Let's say I release a video where I say "sponsored by Company C" even though they never sponsored me.
Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action protected by the First Amendment?
At first, I thought that mentioning Company C is like doing free advertising for them, so why would they care. However, if Company C doesn't want to be associated with me, and the alleged association damages their reputation, then maybe this counts as slander:
oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.
Since in this case, I wouldn't be blatantly saying a bad thing about the company (e.g. "their CEO is a murderer"), I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court that their reputation was damaged.
(this is also assuming that slander applies to companies)
defamation right-of-publicity competition free-speech
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So just to clarify here: Is this video in jest or mocking something and the "sponsorship" is further mocking silliness. For example, SNL has a history of gag commercials for various products OR claim sponsorship by a product that wouldn't touch it (i.e. Ending a bit about the Evil Genius' Invention Contest by revealing it was an extended commercial for White Castle restaurants, because only they would serve such evil customers.). Or is this an actual product or serious endeavor that has not offered sponsorship to you? Context is important here.
– hszmv
yesterday
@hszmv The video is a funny/joke video, but it wouldn't be obvious that the comment about the sponsor is a joke (though it would be intended as a joke), since that company could reasonably be one that sponsors us.
– pushkin
yesterday
Than this would be Fair Use, specifically a parody, as it would be transformative enough to the message that the company was included. Mockery is a commonly accepted fair use that could be used to mock the company (i.e. There is a YouTube trend where people recut Disney Movies to make trailers for horror films with the scenes out of context). This could be commentary on how there is a lot of scary imagery in Disney films OR that the companies that make trailers will lie for numerous reasons.
– hszmv
yesterday
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So just to clarify here: Is this video in jest or mocking something and the "sponsorship" is further mocking silliness. For example, SNL has a history of gag commercials for various products OR claim sponsorship by a product that wouldn't touch it (i.e. Ending a bit about the Evil Genius' Invention Contest by revealing it was an extended commercial for White Castle restaurants, because only they would serve such evil customers.). Or is this an actual product or serious endeavor that has not offered sponsorship to you? Context is important here.
– hszmv
yesterday
@hszmv The video is a funny/joke video, but it wouldn't be obvious that the comment about the sponsor is a joke (though it would be intended as a joke), since that company could reasonably be one that sponsors us.
– pushkin
yesterday
Than this would be Fair Use, specifically a parody, as it would be transformative enough to the message that the company was included. Mockery is a commonly accepted fair use that could be used to mock the company (i.e. There is a YouTube trend where people recut Disney Movies to make trailers for horror films with the scenes out of context). This could be commentary on how there is a lot of scary imagery in Disney films OR that the companies that make trailers will lie for numerous reasons.
– hszmv
yesterday
So just to clarify here: Is this video in jest or mocking something and the "sponsorship" is further mocking silliness. For example, SNL has a history of gag commercials for various products OR claim sponsorship by a product that wouldn't touch it (i.e. Ending a bit about the Evil Genius' Invention Contest by revealing it was an extended commercial for White Castle restaurants, because only they would serve such evil customers.). Or is this an actual product or serious endeavor that has not offered sponsorship to you? Context is important here.
– hszmv
yesterday
So just to clarify here: Is this video in jest or mocking something and the "sponsorship" is further mocking silliness. For example, SNL has a history of gag commercials for various products OR claim sponsorship by a product that wouldn't touch it (i.e. Ending a bit about the Evil Genius' Invention Contest by revealing it was an extended commercial for White Castle restaurants, because only they would serve such evil customers.). Or is this an actual product or serious endeavor that has not offered sponsorship to you? Context is important here.
– hszmv
yesterday
@hszmv The video is a funny/joke video, but it wouldn't be obvious that the comment about the sponsor is a joke (though it would be intended as a joke), since that company could reasonably be one that sponsors us.
– pushkin
yesterday
@hszmv The video is a funny/joke video, but it wouldn't be obvious that the comment about the sponsor is a joke (though it would be intended as a joke), since that company could reasonably be one that sponsors us.
– pushkin
yesterday
Than this would be Fair Use, specifically a parody, as it would be transformative enough to the message that the company was included. Mockery is a commonly accepted fair use that could be used to mock the company (i.e. There is a YouTube trend where people recut Disney Movies to make trailers for horror films with the scenes out of context). This could be commentary on how there is a lot of scary imagery in Disney films OR that the companies that make trailers will lie for numerous reasons.
– hszmv
yesterday
Than this would be Fair Use, specifically a parody, as it would be transformative enough to the message that the company was included. Mockery is a commonly accepted fair use that could be used to mock the company (i.e. There is a YouTube trend where people recut Disney Movies to make trailers for horror films with the scenes out of context). This could be commentary on how there is a lot of scary imagery in Disney films OR that the companies that make trailers will lie for numerous reasons.
– hszmv
yesterday
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False statements are generally protected by the First Amendment.
If the video was an obvious gag or work of fiction, in which a reasonable person would understand that you were not truly endorsed, your false statement would almost certainly be protected by the First Amendment.
But many false statements are not protected, typically because of their negative effects on other parties. Classic examples include defamation, perjury, and fraud. A lie about an endorsement could easily fall on either side of that line.
If you are making the video in a context in which reasonable viewers would be led to believe that you truly were endorsed by that company, I could easily imagine a set of circumstances that would lead to liability:
- If you're releasing the video as part of a commercial endeavor, you're looking at possible claims for false advertising, unfair competition, and trademark violations (false designation, dilution, etc.).
- If your video is harmful to the company's reputation, you're facing a potential claim for product disparagement or trade libel. These are the corporate equivalents of the libel actions most people are more familiar with, and they generally require proving the same kinds of facts.
- A right of publicity/misappropriation of identity action is possible but very unlikely. Most states are very stingy about allowing businesses to bring these claims, so this one would probably be very jurisdiction-specific. Proving the case generally requires the company to show (1) that you made a commercial use of their identity, (2) that they did not authorize it, and (3) that the use caused economic harm.
Beyond those, there's a whole host of business torts that I could try to squeeze this into but that are probably less likely given the hypothetical you've presented.
I'd also note that your assumption about proving damages is not well-founded. Especially among the largest companies, businesses are very protective of their brands, and they invest absurd amounts of money to protect them. Pick any company with a high enough profile that someone would want to fake their endorsement, and I'd be willing to bet that their legal department could pretty quickly prepare a detailed estimate of the related damage to their brand. If a case went to trial, you'd normally expect to see an economist present an expert report calculating damages, which would begin (but not end) with any unjust enrichment you experienced because people thought you had the company's endorsement.
"Fake" sponsorships for the purpose of parody are fairly common. For example, see Last Week Tonight's segment on native advertising -- partway through, they plaster a few logos across the screen with "sponsored by" next to them, in what is clearly a parody of a sponsored segment (unless PepsiCo really did sponsor a segment of Oliver calling Mountain Dew Code Red awful, which would be... ironically very refreshing).
– Nic Hartley
Nov 30 at 22:04
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The person or company could sue you for defamation, and would have to show that they were harmed by your statement (which would not be in the realm of per se defamatory statements). Since this is a civil matter, they would not have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt: documenting a drop in sales subsequent to the defamation would do it. See this article for discussion of standards of proof and the distinction between "preponderance of evidence" and "clear and convincing evidence".
A right of publicity lawsuit might succeed, depending on the statement. See for example Cal. Civ. 3344
Any person who knowingly uses another's name... in any
manner...without such person's prior consent...shall be liable for any
damages sustained by the person
The court would have to find that the entity to whom the statement is falsely imputed is protected under the law. Corporations are people, or are not people, depending on what right you are speaking of.
You could also run afoul of federal trademark law (15 USC 1125), again depending on what you said (is it "on or in connection with any goods or services"?). The corporate name is likely a trademark.
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Damages would indeed need to be proved, but not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". The standard would be "by a preponderance of the evidence" just as most facts in most tort suits. having several witnesses testify that their view of the reputation of the subject of the defamatory statements was lowered is a common method of addressing such an issue.
– David Siegel
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Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action
protected by the First Amendment?
Why do you think that lying - publishing false facts - is protected by the First Amendment? Speech is protected, yes; the factual content of that speech is the responsibility of the individual. If that speech is slanderous or libelous, it may still be free speech, but the speaker or publisher may also be subject to legal action by the other party. And in your example, that legal action would not be a form of slander (oral defamation); it would be libel, the publication of defaming information.
...I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court
that their reputation was damaged.
How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary? It's the choice of the company to pursue legal action, not yours. How much money do you have to defend against a libel action from the company?
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"How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary?" Well yes, but that's not what I said they'd have to prove. I said they'd have to prove that their reputation was damaged as a result of the false facts.
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:06
Also, why would my case be libel? Yes, I am publishing a video, but the lie is being spoken by me, which makes it oral defamation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:10
Sure, the burden of proof is on them; that is the basis of most any legal action. If that is your point, it's moot. Is your point simply to challenge them into suing you? If so, how much money do you have to defend yourself in a lawsuit? And re: the difference between libel and slander? Read the law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Libel
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:12
My point was just that I didn't see the relevance of your comment about "the evidence is right there" as I never suggested that they wouldn't be able to find the evidence. Second, this is a hypothetical scenario - I was just curious if joking about being sponsored by a company could get you into legal trouble. Now that I know that it can, yes of course, I don't have the money to defend myself against a corporation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:21
The corporation may not care at all about the joke and the video; but if they do, it could be a problem.
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:32
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False statements are generally protected by the First Amendment.
If the video was an obvious gag or work of fiction, in which a reasonable person would understand that you were not truly endorsed, your false statement would almost certainly be protected by the First Amendment.
But many false statements are not protected, typically because of their negative effects on other parties. Classic examples include defamation, perjury, and fraud. A lie about an endorsement could easily fall on either side of that line.
If you are making the video in a context in which reasonable viewers would be led to believe that you truly were endorsed by that company, I could easily imagine a set of circumstances that would lead to liability:
- If you're releasing the video as part of a commercial endeavor, you're looking at possible claims for false advertising, unfair competition, and trademark violations (false designation, dilution, etc.).
- If your video is harmful to the company's reputation, you're facing a potential claim for product disparagement or trade libel. These are the corporate equivalents of the libel actions most people are more familiar with, and they generally require proving the same kinds of facts.
- A right of publicity/misappropriation of identity action is possible but very unlikely. Most states are very stingy about allowing businesses to bring these claims, so this one would probably be very jurisdiction-specific. Proving the case generally requires the company to show (1) that you made a commercial use of their identity, (2) that they did not authorize it, and (3) that the use caused economic harm.
Beyond those, there's a whole host of business torts that I could try to squeeze this into but that are probably less likely given the hypothetical you've presented.
I'd also note that your assumption about proving damages is not well-founded. Especially among the largest companies, businesses are very protective of their brands, and they invest absurd amounts of money to protect them. Pick any company with a high enough profile that someone would want to fake their endorsement, and I'd be willing to bet that their legal department could pretty quickly prepare a detailed estimate of the related damage to their brand. If a case went to trial, you'd normally expect to see an economist present an expert report calculating damages, which would begin (but not end) with any unjust enrichment you experienced because people thought you had the company's endorsement.
"Fake" sponsorships for the purpose of parody are fairly common. For example, see Last Week Tonight's segment on native advertising -- partway through, they plaster a few logos across the screen with "sponsored by" next to them, in what is clearly a parody of a sponsored segment (unless PepsiCo really did sponsor a segment of Oliver calling Mountain Dew Code Red awful, which would be... ironically very refreshing).
– Nic Hartley
Nov 30 at 22:04
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False statements are generally protected by the First Amendment.
If the video was an obvious gag or work of fiction, in which a reasonable person would understand that you were not truly endorsed, your false statement would almost certainly be protected by the First Amendment.
But many false statements are not protected, typically because of their negative effects on other parties. Classic examples include defamation, perjury, and fraud. A lie about an endorsement could easily fall on either side of that line.
If you are making the video in a context in which reasonable viewers would be led to believe that you truly were endorsed by that company, I could easily imagine a set of circumstances that would lead to liability:
- If you're releasing the video as part of a commercial endeavor, you're looking at possible claims for false advertising, unfair competition, and trademark violations (false designation, dilution, etc.).
- If your video is harmful to the company's reputation, you're facing a potential claim for product disparagement or trade libel. These are the corporate equivalents of the libel actions most people are more familiar with, and they generally require proving the same kinds of facts.
- A right of publicity/misappropriation of identity action is possible but very unlikely. Most states are very stingy about allowing businesses to bring these claims, so this one would probably be very jurisdiction-specific. Proving the case generally requires the company to show (1) that you made a commercial use of their identity, (2) that they did not authorize it, and (3) that the use caused economic harm.
Beyond those, there's a whole host of business torts that I could try to squeeze this into but that are probably less likely given the hypothetical you've presented.
I'd also note that your assumption about proving damages is not well-founded. Especially among the largest companies, businesses are very protective of their brands, and they invest absurd amounts of money to protect them. Pick any company with a high enough profile that someone would want to fake their endorsement, and I'd be willing to bet that their legal department could pretty quickly prepare a detailed estimate of the related damage to their brand. If a case went to trial, you'd normally expect to see an economist present an expert report calculating damages, which would begin (but not end) with any unjust enrichment you experienced because people thought you had the company's endorsement.
"Fake" sponsorships for the purpose of parody are fairly common. For example, see Last Week Tonight's segment on native advertising -- partway through, they plaster a few logos across the screen with "sponsored by" next to them, in what is clearly a parody of a sponsored segment (unless PepsiCo really did sponsor a segment of Oliver calling Mountain Dew Code Red awful, which would be... ironically very refreshing).
– Nic Hartley
Nov 30 at 22:04
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False statements are generally protected by the First Amendment.
If the video was an obvious gag or work of fiction, in which a reasonable person would understand that you were not truly endorsed, your false statement would almost certainly be protected by the First Amendment.
But many false statements are not protected, typically because of their negative effects on other parties. Classic examples include defamation, perjury, and fraud. A lie about an endorsement could easily fall on either side of that line.
If you are making the video in a context in which reasonable viewers would be led to believe that you truly were endorsed by that company, I could easily imagine a set of circumstances that would lead to liability:
- If you're releasing the video as part of a commercial endeavor, you're looking at possible claims for false advertising, unfair competition, and trademark violations (false designation, dilution, etc.).
- If your video is harmful to the company's reputation, you're facing a potential claim for product disparagement or trade libel. These are the corporate equivalents of the libel actions most people are more familiar with, and they generally require proving the same kinds of facts.
- A right of publicity/misappropriation of identity action is possible but very unlikely. Most states are very stingy about allowing businesses to bring these claims, so this one would probably be very jurisdiction-specific. Proving the case generally requires the company to show (1) that you made a commercial use of their identity, (2) that they did not authorize it, and (3) that the use caused economic harm.
Beyond those, there's a whole host of business torts that I could try to squeeze this into but that are probably less likely given the hypothetical you've presented.
I'd also note that your assumption about proving damages is not well-founded. Especially among the largest companies, businesses are very protective of their brands, and they invest absurd amounts of money to protect them. Pick any company with a high enough profile that someone would want to fake their endorsement, and I'd be willing to bet that their legal department could pretty quickly prepare a detailed estimate of the related damage to their brand. If a case went to trial, you'd normally expect to see an economist present an expert report calculating damages, which would begin (but not end) with any unjust enrichment you experienced because people thought you had the company's endorsement.
False statements are generally protected by the First Amendment.
If the video was an obvious gag or work of fiction, in which a reasonable person would understand that you were not truly endorsed, your false statement would almost certainly be protected by the First Amendment.
But many false statements are not protected, typically because of their negative effects on other parties. Classic examples include defamation, perjury, and fraud. A lie about an endorsement could easily fall on either side of that line.
If you are making the video in a context in which reasonable viewers would be led to believe that you truly were endorsed by that company, I could easily imagine a set of circumstances that would lead to liability:
- If you're releasing the video as part of a commercial endeavor, you're looking at possible claims for false advertising, unfair competition, and trademark violations (false designation, dilution, etc.).
- If your video is harmful to the company's reputation, you're facing a potential claim for product disparagement or trade libel. These are the corporate equivalents of the libel actions most people are more familiar with, and they generally require proving the same kinds of facts.
- A right of publicity/misappropriation of identity action is possible but very unlikely. Most states are very stingy about allowing businesses to bring these claims, so this one would probably be very jurisdiction-specific. Proving the case generally requires the company to show (1) that you made a commercial use of their identity, (2) that they did not authorize it, and (3) that the use caused economic harm.
Beyond those, there's a whole host of business torts that I could try to squeeze this into but that are probably less likely given the hypothetical you've presented.
I'd also note that your assumption about proving damages is not well-founded. Especially among the largest companies, businesses are very protective of their brands, and they invest absurd amounts of money to protect them. Pick any company with a high enough profile that someone would want to fake their endorsement, and I'd be willing to bet that their legal department could pretty quickly prepare a detailed estimate of the related damage to their brand. If a case went to trial, you'd normally expect to see an economist present an expert report calculating damages, which would begin (but not end) with any unjust enrichment you experienced because people thought you had the company's endorsement.
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"Fake" sponsorships for the purpose of parody are fairly common. For example, see Last Week Tonight's segment on native advertising -- partway through, they plaster a few logos across the screen with "sponsored by" next to them, in what is clearly a parody of a sponsored segment (unless PepsiCo really did sponsor a segment of Oliver calling Mountain Dew Code Red awful, which would be... ironically very refreshing).
– Nic Hartley
Nov 30 at 22:04
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"Fake" sponsorships for the purpose of parody are fairly common. For example, see Last Week Tonight's segment on native advertising -- partway through, they plaster a few logos across the screen with "sponsored by" next to them, in what is clearly a parody of a sponsored segment (unless PepsiCo really did sponsor a segment of Oliver calling Mountain Dew Code Red awful, which would be... ironically very refreshing).
– Nic Hartley
Nov 30 at 22:04
"Fake" sponsorships for the purpose of parody are fairly common. For example, see Last Week Tonight's segment on native advertising -- partway through, they plaster a few logos across the screen with "sponsored by" next to them, in what is clearly a parody of a sponsored segment (unless PepsiCo really did sponsor a segment of Oliver calling Mountain Dew Code Red awful, which would be... ironically very refreshing).
– Nic Hartley
Nov 30 at 22:04
"Fake" sponsorships for the purpose of parody are fairly common. For example, see Last Week Tonight's segment on native advertising -- partway through, they plaster a few logos across the screen with "sponsored by" next to them, in what is clearly a parody of a sponsored segment (unless PepsiCo really did sponsor a segment of Oliver calling Mountain Dew Code Red awful, which would be... ironically very refreshing).
– Nic Hartley
Nov 30 at 22:04
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The person or company could sue you for defamation, and would have to show that they were harmed by your statement (which would not be in the realm of per se defamatory statements). Since this is a civil matter, they would not have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt: documenting a drop in sales subsequent to the defamation would do it. See this article for discussion of standards of proof and the distinction between "preponderance of evidence" and "clear and convincing evidence".
A right of publicity lawsuit might succeed, depending on the statement. See for example Cal. Civ. 3344
Any person who knowingly uses another's name... in any
manner...without such person's prior consent...shall be liable for any
damages sustained by the person
The court would have to find that the entity to whom the statement is falsely imputed is protected under the law. Corporations are people, or are not people, depending on what right you are speaking of.
You could also run afoul of federal trademark law (15 USC 1125), again depending on what you said (is it "on or in connection with any goods or services"?). The corporate name is likely a trademark.
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Damages would indeed need to be proved, but not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". The standard would be "by a preponderance of the evidence" just as most facts in most tort suits. having several witnesses testify that their view of the reputation of the subject of the defamatory statements was lowered is a common method of addressing such an issue.
– David Siegel
Nov 30 at 19:01
add a comment |
up vote
3
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The person or company could sue you for defamation, and would have to show that they were harmed by your statement (which would not be in the realm of per se defamatory statements). Since this is a civil matter, they would not have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt: documenting a drop in sales subsequent to the defamation would do it. See this article for discussion of standards of proof and the distinction between "preponderance of evidence" and "clear and convincing evidence".
A right of publicity lawsuit might succeed, depending on the statement. See for example Cal. Civ. 3344
Any person who knowingly uses another's name... in any
manner...without such person's prior consent...shall be liable for any
damages sustained by the person
The court would have to find that the entity to whom the statement is falsely imputed is protected under the law. Corporations are people, or are not people, depending on what right you are speaking of.
You could also run afoul of federal trademark law (15 USC 1125), again depending on what you said (is it "on or in connection with any goods or services"?). The corporate name is likely a trademark.
1
Damages would indeed need to be proved, but not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". The standard would be "by a preponderance of the evidence" just as most facts in most tort suits. having several witnesses testify that their view of the reputation of the subject of the defamatory statements was lowered is a common method of addressing such an issue.
– David Siegel
Nov 30 at 19:01
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The person or company could sue you for defamation, and would have to show that they were harmed by your statement (which would not be in the realm of per se defamatory statements). Since this is a civil matter, they would not have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt: documenting a drop in sales subsequent to the defamation would do it. See this article for discussion of standards of proof and the distinction between "preponderance of evidence" and "clear and convincing evidence".
A right of publicity lawsuit might succeed, depending on the statement. See for example Cal. Civ. 3344
Any person who knowingly uses another's name... in any
manner...without such person's prior consent...shall be liable for any
damages sustained by the person
The court would have to find that the entity to whom the statement is falsely imputed is protected under the law. Corporations are people, or are not people, depending on what right you are speaking of.
You could also run afoul of federal trademark law (15 USC 1125), again depending on what you said (is it "on or in connection with any goods or services"?). The corporate name is likely a trademark.
The person or company could sue you for defamation, and would have to show that they were harmed by your statement (which would not be in the realm of per se defamatory statements). Since this is a civil matter, they would not have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt: documenting a drop in sales subsequent to the defamation would do it. See this article for discussion of standards of proof and the distinction between "preponderance of evidence" and "clear and convincing evidence".
A right of publicity lawsuit might succeed, depending on the statement. See for example Cal. Civ. 3344
Any person who knowingly uses another's name... in any
manner...without such person's prior consent...shall be liable for any
damages sustained by the person
The court would have to find that the entity to whom the statement is falsely imputed is protected under the law. Corporations are people, or are not people, depending on what right you are speaking of.
You could also run afoul of federal trademark law (15 USC 1125), again depending on what you said (is it "on or in connection with any goods or services"?). The corporate name is likely a trademark.
edited Nov 30 at 19:27
answered Nov 30 at 16:49
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Damages would indeed need to be proved, but not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". The standard would be "by a preponderance of the evidence" just as most facts in most tort suits. having several witnesses testify that their view of the reputation of the subject of the defamatory statements was lowered is a common method of addressing such an issue.
– David Siegel
Nov 30 at 19:01
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Damages would indeed need to be proved, but not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". The standard would be "by a preponderance of the evidence" just as most facts in most tort suits. having several witnesses testify that their view of the reputation of the subject of the defamatory statements was lowered is a common method of addressing such an issue.
– David Siegel
Nov 30 at 19:01
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Damages would indeed need to be proved, but not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". The standard would be "by a preponderance of the evidence" just as most facts in most tort suits. having several witnesses testify that their view of the reputation of the subject of the defamatory statements was lowered is a common method of addressing such an issue.
– David Siegel
Nov 30 at 19:01
Damages would indeed need to be proved, but not "beyond a shadow of a doubt". The standard would be "by a preponderance of the evidence" just as most facts in most tort suits. having several witnesses testify that their view of the reputation of the subject of the defamatory statements was lowered is a common method of addressing such an issue.
– David Siegel
Nov 30 at 19:01
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Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action
protected by the First Amendment?
Why do you think that lying - publishing false facts - is protected by the First Amendment? Speech is protected, yes; the factual content of that speech is the responsibility of the individual. If that speech is slanderous or libelous, it may still be free speech, but the speaker or publisher may also be subject to legal action by the other party. And in your example, that legal action would not be a form of slander (oral defamation); it would be libel, the publication of defaming information.
...I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court
that their reputation was damaged.
How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary? It's the choice of the company to pursue legal action, not yours. How much money do you have to defend against a libel action from the company?
1
"How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary?" Well yes, but that's not what I said they'd have to prove. I said they'd have to prove that their reputation was damaged as a result of the false facts.
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:06
Also, why would my case be libel? Yes, I am publishing a video, but the lie is being spoken by me, which makes it oral defamation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:10
Sure, the burden of proof is on them; that is the basis of most any legal action. If that is your point, it's moot. Is your point simply to challenge them into suing you? If so, how much money do you have to defend yourself in a lawsuit? And re: the difference between libel and slander? Read the law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Libel
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:12
My point was just that I didn't see the relevance of your comment about "the evidence is right there" as I never suggested that they wouldn't be able to find the evidence. Second, this is a hypothetical scenario - I was just curious if joking about being sponsored by a company could get you into legal trouble. Now that I know that it can, yes of course, I don't have the money to defend myself against a corporation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:21
The corporation may not care at all about the joke and the video; but if they do, it could be a problem.
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:32
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1
down vote
Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action
protected by the First Amendment?
Why do you think that lying - publishing false facts - is protected by the First Amendment? Speech is protected, yes; the factual content of that speech is the responsibility of the individual. If that speech is slanderous or libelous, it may still be free speech, but the speaker or publisher may also be subject to legal action by the other party. And in your example, that legal action would not be a form of slander (oral defamation); it would be libel, the publication of defaming information.
...I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court
that their reputation was damaged.
How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary? It's the choice of the company to pursue legal action, not yours. How much money do you have to defend against a libel action from the company?
1
"How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary?" Well yes, but that's not what I said they'd have to prove. I said they'd have to prove that their reputation was damaged as a result of the false facts.
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:06
Also, why would my case be libel? Yes, I am publishing a video, but the lie is being spoken by me, which makes it oral defamation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:10
Sure, the burden of proof is on them; that is the basis of most any legal action. If that is your point, it's moot. Is your point simply to challenge them into suing you? If so, how much money do you have to defend yourself in a lawsuit? And re: the difference between libel and slander? Read the law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Libel
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:12
My point was just that I didn't see the relevance of your comment about "the evidence is right there" as I never suggested that they wouldn't be able to find the evidence. Second, this is a hypothetical scenario - I was just curious if joking about being sponsored by a company could get you into legal trouble. Now that I know that it can, yes of course, I don't have the money to defend myself against a corporation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:21
The corporation may not care at all about the joke and the video; but if they do, it could be a problem.
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:32
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show 2 more comments
up vote
1
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up vote
1
down vote
Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action
protected by the First Amendment?
Why do you think that lying - publishing false facts - is protected by the First Amendment? Speech is protected, yes; the factual content of that speech is the responsibility of the individual. If that speech is slanderous or libelous, it may still be free speech, but the speaker or publisher may also be subject to legal action by the other party. And in your example, that legal action would not be a form of slander (oral defamation); it would be libel, the publication of defaming information.
...I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court
that their reputation was damaged.
How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary? It's the choice of the company to pursue legal action, not yours. How much money do you have to defend against a libel action from the company?
Are there legal implications to lying about that, or is this action
protected by the First Amendment?
Why do you think that lying - publishing false facts - is protected by the First Amendment? Speech is protected, yes; the factual content of that speech is the responsibility of the individual. If that speech is slanderous or libelous, it may still be free speech, but the speaker or publisher may also be subject to legal action by the other party. And in your example, that legal action would not be a form of slander (oral defamation); it would be libel, the publication of defaming information.
...I imagine they would need to do a bit more work to prove to a court
that their reputation was damaged.
How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary? It's the choice of the company to pursue legal action, not yours. How much money do you have to defend against a libel action from the company?
answered Nov 30 at 16:00
BlueDogRanch
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"How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary?" Well yes, but that's not what I said they'd have to prove. I said they'd have to prove that their reputation was damaged as a result of the false facts.
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:06
Also, why would my case be libel? Yes, I am publishing a video, but the lie is being spoken by me, which makes it oral defamation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:10
Sure, the burden of proof is on them; that is the basis of most any legal action. If that is your point, it's moot. Is your point simply to challenge them into suing you? If so, how much money do you have to defend yourself in a lawsuit? And re: the difference between libel and slander? Read the law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Libel
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:12
My point was just that I didn't see the relevance of your comment about "the evidence is right there" as I never suggested that they wouldn't be able to find the evidence. Second, this is a hypothetical scenario - I was just curious if joking about being sponsored by a company could get you into legal trouble. Now that I know that it can, yes of course, I don't have the money to defend myself against a corporation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:21
The corporation may not care at all about the joke and the video; but if they do, it could be a problem.
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:32
|
show 2 more comments
1
"How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary?" Well yes, but that's not what I said they'd have to prove. I said they'd have to prove that their reputation was damaged as a result of the false facts.
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:06
Also, why would my case be libel? Yes, I am publishing a video, but the lie is being spoken by me, which makes it oral defamation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:10
Sure, the burden of proof is on them; that is the basis of most any legal action. If that is your point, it's moot. Is your point simply to challenge them into suing you? If so, how much money do you have to defend yourself in a lawsuit? And re: the difference between libel and slander? Read the law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Libel
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:12
My point was just that I didn't see the relevance of your comment about "the evidence is right there" as I never suggested that they wouldn't be able to find the evidence. Second, this is a hypothetical scenario - I was just curious if joking about being sponsored by a company could get you into legal trouble. Now that I know that it can, yes of course, I don't have the money to defend myself against a corporation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:21
The corporation may not care at all about the joke and the video; but if they do, it could be a problem.
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:32
1
1
"How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary?" Well yes, but that's not what I said they'd have to prove. I said they'd have to prove that their reputation was damaged as a result of the false facts.
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:06
"How can you prove you did not publish false facts, when the evidence - the printed paper, the video, etc. - points to the contrary?" Well yes, but that's not what I said they'd have to prove. I said they'd have to prove that their reputation was damaged as a result of the false facts.
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:06
Also, why would my case be libel? Yes, I am publishing a video, but the lie is being spoken by me, which makes it oral defamation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:10
Also, why would my case be libel? Yes, I am publishing a video, but the lie is being spoken by me, which makes it oral defamation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:10
Sure, the burden of proof is on them; that is the basis of most any legal action. If that is your point, it's moot. Is your point simply to challenge them into suing you? If so, how much money do you have to defend yourself in a lawsuit? And re: the difference between libel and slander? Read the law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Libel
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:12
Sure, the burden of proof is on them; that is the basis of most any legal action. If that is your point, it's moot. Is your point simply to challenge them into suing you? If so, how much money do you have to defend yourself in a lawsuit? And re: the difference between libel and slander? Read the law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Libel
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:12
My point was just that I didn't see the relevance of your comment about "the evidence is right there" as I never suggested that they wouldn't be able to find the evidence. Second, this is a hypothetical scenario - I was just curious if joking about being sponsored by a company could get you into legal trouble. Now that I know that it can, yes of course, I don't have the money to defend myself against a corporation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:21
My point was just that I didn't see the relevance of your comment about "the evidence is right there" as I never suggested that they wouldn't be able to find the evidence. Second, this is a hypothetical scenario - I was just curious if joking about being sponsored by a company could get you into legal trouble. Now that I know that it can, yes of course, I don't have the money to defend myself against a corporation
– pushkin
Nov 30 at 16:21
The corporation may not care at all about the joke and the video; but if they do, it could be a problem.
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:32
The corporation may not care at all about the joke and the video; but if they do, it could be a problem.
– BlueDogRanch
Nov 30 at 16:32
|
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So just to clarify here: Is this video in jest or mocking something and the "sponsorship" is further mocking silliness. For example, SNL has a history of gag commercials for various products OR claim sponsorship by a product that wouldn't touch it (i.e. Ending a bit about the Evil Genius' Invention Contest by revealing it was an extended commercial for White Castle restaurants, because only they would serve such evil customers.). Or is this an actual product or serious endeavor that has not offered sponsorship to you? Context is important here.
– hszmv
yesterday
@hszmv The video is a funny/joke video, but it wouldn't be obvious that the comment about the sponsor is a joke (though it would be intended as a joke), since that company could reasonably be one that sponsors us.
– pushkin
yesterday
Than this would be Fair Use, specifically a parody, as it would be transformative enough to the message that the company was included. Mockery is a commonly accepted fair use that could be used to mock the company (i.e. There is a YouTube trend where people recut Disney Movies to make trailers for horror films with the scenes out of context). This could be commentary on how there is a lot of scary imagery in Disney films OR that the companies that make trailers will lie for numerous reasons.
– hszmv
yesterday