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I was watching Steve Balmer’s interview and he was talking about questions they’d ask from candidates. This is a question he gave, he says-



I choose a number between $1$ to $100$, the other person has to guess the number. If he gets it right the first time he gets $5$ bucks, if he misses the first time steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower( he does this every time you miss), if he gets it right the second time he gets $4$ bucks, third time $3$, fourth $2$ and so on and if he gets it right in the seventh guess the person has to give a buck to Steve and so on, the value goes decreasing. I am trying to calculate the expected value of this game, how can I solve this, I can’t seem to come up with a way.



P.S. I have edited the question with a slight variation, in the previous version steve doesn’t tell you anything after you have guessed the wrong number.










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  • Can you see why the probability you guess right during each time between $1$ and $100$ is the same?
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    Are you sure you haven't left something out, eg Steve has to tell you whether the number is larger or smaller than your guess? 2^6=64, 2^7=128, and I don't think it's a coincidence that after 7 guesses you pay out.
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  • @HongOoi is correct. Here's the actual interview (the problem statement starts at 00:35). Although this question has already been answered, so it's probably too late to edit it now.
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I was watching Steve Balmer’s interview and he was talking about questions they’d ask from candidates. This is a question he gave, he says-



I choose a number between $1$ to $100$, the other person has to guess the number. If he gets it right the first time he gets $5$ bucks, if he misses the first time steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower( he does this every time you miss), if he gets it right the second time he gets $4$ bucks, third time $3$, fourth $2$ and so on and if he gets it right in the seventh guess the person has to give a buck to Steve and so on, the value goes decreasing. I am trying to calculate the expected value of this game, how can I solve this, I can’t seem to come up with a way.



P.S. I have edited the question with a slight variation, in the previous version steve doesn’t tell you anything after you have guessed the wrong number.










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  • Can you see why the probability you guess right during each time between $1$ and $100$ is the same?
    – Jorge Fernández
    Nov 30 at 18:51






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    Are you sure you haven't left something out, eg Steve has to tell you whether the number is larger or smaller than your guess? 2^6=64, 2^7=128, and I don't think it's a coincidence that after 7 guesses you pay out.
    – Hong Ooi
    Nov 30 at 20:50










  • @HongOoi is correct. Here's the actual interview (the problem statement starts at 00:35). Although this question has already been answered, so it's probably too late to edit it now.
    – NotThatGuy
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I was watching Steve Balmer’s interview and he was talking about questions they’d ask from candidates. This is a question he gave, he says-



I choose a number between $1$ to $100$, the other person has to guess the number. If he gets it right the first time he gets $5$ bucks, if he misses the first time steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower( he does this every time you miss), if he gets it right the second time he gets $4$ bucks, third time $3$, fourth $2$ and so on and if he gets it right in the seventh guess the person has to give a buck to Steve and so on, the value goes decreasing. I am trying to calculate the expected value of this game, how can I solve this, I can’t seem to come up with a way.



P.S. I have edited the question with a slight variation, in the previous version steve doesn’t tell you anything after you have guessed the wrong number.










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I was watching Steve Balmer’s interview and he was talking about questions they’d ask from candidates. This is a question he gave, he says-



I choose a number between $1$ to $100$, the other person has to guess the number. If he gets it right the first time he gets $5$ bucks, if he misses the first time steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower( he does this every time you miss), if he gets it right the second time he gets $4$ bucks, third time $3$, fourth $2$ and so on and if he gets it right in the seventh guess the person has to give a buck to Steve and so on, the value goes decreasing. I am trying to calculate the expected value of this game, how can I solve this, I can’t seem to come up with a way.



P.S. I have edited the question with a slight variation, in the previous version steve doesn’t tell you anything after you have guessed the wrong number.







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  • Can you see why the probability you guess right during each time between $1$ and $100$ is the same?
    – Jorge Fernández
    Nov 30 at 18:51






  • 6




    Are you sure you haven't left something out, eg Steve has to tell you whether the number is larger or smaller than your guess? 2^6=64, 2^7=128, and I don't think it's a coincidence that after 7 guesses you pay out.
    – Hong Ooi
    Nov 30 at 20:50










  • @HongOoi is correct. Here's the actual interview (the problem statement starts at 00:35). Although this question has already been answered, so it's probably too late to edit it now.
    – NotThatGuy
    Nov 30 at 21:13




















  • Can you see why the probability you guess right during each time between $1$ and $100$ is the same?
    – Jorge Fernández
    Nov 30 at 18:51






  • 6




    Are you sure you haven't left something out, eg Steve has to tell you whether the number is larger or smaller than your guess? 2^6=64, 2^7=128, and I don't think it's a coincidence that after 7 guesses you pay out.
    – Hong Ooi
    Nov 30 at 20:50










  • @HongOoi is correct. Here's the actual interview (the problem statement starts at 00:35). Although this question has already been answered, so it's probably too late to edit it now.
    – NotThatGuy
    Nov 30 at 21:13


















Can you see why the probability you guess right during each time between $1$ and $100$ is the same?
– Jorge Fernández
Nov 30 at 18:51




Can you see why the probability you guess right during each time between $1$ and $100$ is the same?
– Jorge Fernández
Nov 30 at 18:51




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Are you sure you haven't left something out, eg Steve has to tell you whether the number is larger or smaller than your guess? 2^6=64, 2^7=128, and I don't think it's a coincidence that after 7 guesses you pay out.
– Hong Ooi
Nov 30 at 20:50




Are you sure you haven't left something out, eg Steve has to tell you whether the number is larger or smaller than your guess? 2^6=64, 2^7=128, and I don't think it's a coincidence that after 7 guesses you pay out.
– Hong Ooi
Nov 30 at 20:50












@HongOoi is correct. Here's the actual interview (the problem statement starts at 00:35). Although this question has already been answered, so it's probably too late to edit it now.
– NotThatGuy
Nov 30 at 21:13






@HongOoi is correct. Here's the actual interview (the problem statement starts at 00:35). Although this question has already been answered, so it's probably too late to edit it now.
– NotThatGuy
Nov 30 at 21:13












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The answer posted by Jorge is right. Just to add some clarifications.



In the first try you have $frac 1 {100}$ chance of guessing it right. On the second guess, your chance increases to $frac 1 {99}$ as you know the answer isn't your guess and you aren't going to make the same guess. However, the probability that you are going to make the second guess (i.e. you guess the first one wrong) is $frac {99} {100}$ so the probability is again, $frac 1 {99}$ * $frac {99} {100}$
= $frac 1 {100}$. With same logic, your probability of guessing it right on the nth try is always $frac 1 {100}$



The rest of the calculation checks out.



$$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-45.5$$






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  • Thank you for clarifying that. I thought it was 1/100 also every time, but I caught myself using the wrong reasoning.
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  • I’m having a hard time understanding this, i get how you come to $frac{1}{100}$ for the second try but can you give the calculation for getting it right on the third try, shouldn’t it be $frac{1}{98}*frac{99}{100}$
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  • For 3rd try, you'll have (probability of getting to 3rd pick) * (probability of getting it right). Probability of getting to 3rd pick is $frac {99} {100}$ * $frac {98} {99}$ because you have to first get 1st one wrong , then the second one wrong, and 3rd one right. So you'll get $frac {99} {100} * frac {98} {99} * frac {1} {98} = frac {1} {100}$
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The probability you get it right at the i'th time is $frac{1}{100}$.



Thus the expected value of the game is $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-44.5$$






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  • assuming someone won't ignorantly re-guess numbers they've already guessed
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  • and that they stop guessing once they've hit the correct number ... lol
    – phdmba7of12
    Nov 30 at 18:56






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    Well I thought that was a reasonable assumption
    – Jorge Fernández
    Nov 30 at 18:57






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    That's the assumption for a candidate that Steve Balmer would hire, ;P
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  • Thanks a lot, I got it.
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If Steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower then, you will at most lose a dollar.
Going by the binary approach, you start with 50, worst situation: more numbers on the side which Steve's number is, up you go 75(as 50 on higher side and 49 on the lower side), then 88, then 94, then 97, 99 and finally 98 or 100. Even if you start with 50 and the number is lower than 50, you still pay a dollar at most.



I have arbitrarily chosen the higher end in each case to have equal to or more numbers than the lower end.



Taking this to be the most conservative approach and that you only follow this, if you want to find the average amount gained or lost, find the value for each number (formulate, no need to solve for each) and take average.






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    Let $X_t:=1{text{guess at stage $t$ is correct}}$ and let $T:=min{t:X_t=1}$. Then for $1le tle 100$,
    begin{align}
    mathsf{P}(T=t)&=mathsf{P}(X_t=1,X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
    &=mathsf{P}(X_t=1|X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0)timesmathsf{P}(X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
    &=frac{1}{100-(t-1)}timesbinom{99}{t-1}binom{100}{t-1}^{-1}=frac{1}{100}.
    end{align}

    Thus, the stopping time $T$ is uniformly distributed on ${1,ldots,100}$ and its mean is $50.5$. Since at each step you loose $1$$, the mean loss is $6-50.5=-44.5$.






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      The answer posted by Jorge is right. Just to add some clarifications.



      In the first try you have $frac 1 {100}$ chance of guessing it right. On the second guess, your chance increases to $frac 1 {99}$ as you know the answer isn't your guess and you aren't going to make the same guess. However, the probability that you are going to make the second guess (i.e. you guess the first one wrong) is $frac {99} {100}$ so the probability is again, $frac 1 {99}$ * $frac {99} {100}$
      = $frac 1 {100}$. With same logic, your probability of guessing it right on the nth try is always $frac 1 {100}$



      The rest of the calculation checks out.



      $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-45.5$$






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      • Thank you for clarifying that. I thought it was 1/100 also every time, but I caught myself using the wrong reasoning.
        – SpiralRain
        Nov 30 at 19:05












      • I’m having a hard time understanding this, i get how you come to $frac{1}{100}$ for the second try but can you give the calculation for getting it right on the third try, shouldn’t it be $frac{1}{98}*frac{99}{100}$
        – user601297
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      • For 3rd try, you'll have (probability of getting to 3rd pick) * (probability of getting it right). Probability of getting to 3rd pick is $frac {99} {100}$ * $frac {98} {99}$ because you have to first get 1st one wrong , then the second one wrong, and 3rd one right. So you'll get $frac {99} {100} * frac {98} {99} * frac {1} {98} = frac {1} {100}$
        – Ofya
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      • Thanks i got it.
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      The answer posted by Jorge is right. Just to add some clarifications.



      In the first try you have $frac 1 {100}$ chance of guessing it right. On the second guess, your chance increases to $frac 1 {99}$ as you know the answer isn't your guess and you aren't going to make the same guess. However, the probability that you are going to make the second guess (i.e. you guess the first one wrong) is $frac {99} {100}$ so the probability is again, $frac 1 {99}$ * $frac {99} {100}$
      = $frac 1 {100}$. With same logic, your probability of guessing it right on the nth try is always $frac 1 {100}$



      The rest of the calculation checks out.



      $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-45.5$$






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      • Thank you for clarifying that. I thought it was 1/100 also every time, but I caught myself using the wrong reasoning.
        – SpiralRain
        Nov 30 at 19:05












      • I’m having a hard time understanding this, i get how you come to $frac{1}{100}$ for the second try but can you give the calculation for getting it right on the third try, shouldn’t it be $frac{1}{98}*frac{99}{100}$
        – user601297
        Nov 30 at 22:32










      • For 3rd try, you'll have (probability of getting to 3rd pick) * (probability of getting it right). Probability of getting to 3rd pick is $frac {99} {100}$ * $frac {98} {99}$ because you have to first get 1st one wrong , then the second one wrong, and 3rd one right. So you'll get $frac {99} {100} * frac {98} {99} * frac {1} {98} = frac {1} {100}$
        – Ofya
        Nov 30 at 23:01












      • Thanks i got it.
        – user601297
        2 days ago













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      The answer posted by Jorge is right. Just to add some clarifications.



      In the first try you have $frac 1 {100}$ chance of guessing it right. On the second guess, your chance increases to $frac 1 {99}$ as you know the answer isn't your guess and you aren't going to make the same guess. However, the probability that you are going to make the second guess (i.e. you guess the first one wrong) is $frac {99} {100}$ so the probability is again, $frac 1 {99}$ * $frac {99} {100}$
      = $frac 1 {100}$. With same logic, your probability of guessing it right on the nth try is always $frac 1 {100}$



      The rest of the calculation checks out.



      $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-45.5$$






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      The answer posted by Jorge is right. Just to add some clarifications.



      In the first try you have $frac 1 {100}$ chance of guessing it right. On the second guess, your chance increases to $frac 1 {99}$ as you know the answer isn't your guess and you aren't going to make the same guess. However, the probability that you are going to make the second guess (i.e. you guess the first one wrong) is $frac {99} {100}$ so the probability is again, $frac 1 {99}$ * $frac {99} {100}$
      = $frac 1 {100}$. With same logic, your probability of guessing it right on the nth try is always $frac 1 {100}$



      The rest of the calculation checks out.



      $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-45.5$$







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      • Thank you for clarifying that. I thought it was 1/100 also every time, but I caught myself using the wrong reasoning.
        – SpiralRain
        Nov 30 at 19:05












      • I’m having a hard time understanding this, i get how you come to $frac{1}{100}$ for the second try but can you give the calculation for getting it right on the third try, shouldn’t it be $frac{1}{98}*frac{99}{100}$
        – user601297
        Nov 30 at 22:32










      • For 3rd try, you'll have (probability of getting to 3rd pick) * (probability of getting it right). Probability of getting to 3rd pick is $frac {99} {100}$ * $frac {98} {99}$ because you have to first get 1st one wrong , then the second one wrong, and 3rd one right. So you'll get $frac {99} {100} * frac {98} {99} * frac {1} {98} = frac {1} {100}$
        – Ofya
        Nov 30 at 23:01












      • Thanks i got it.
        – user601297
        2 days ago


















      • Thank you for clarifying that. I thought it was 1/100 also every time, but I caught myself using the wrong reasoning.
        – SpiralRain
        Nov 30 at 19:05












      • I’m having a hard time understanding this, i get how you come to $frac{1}{100}$ for the second try but can you give the calculation for getting it right on the third try, shouldn’t it be $frac{1}{98}*frac{99}{100}$
        – user601297
        Nov 30 at 22:32










      • For 3rd try, you'll have (probability of getting to 3rd pick) * (probability of getting it right). Probability of getting to 3rd pick is $frac {99} {100}$ * $frac {98} {99}$ because you have to first get 1st one wrong , then the second one wrong, and 3rd one right. So you'll get $frac {99} {100} * frac {98} {99} * frac {1} {98} = frac {1} {100}$
        – Ofya
        Nov 30 at 23:01












      • Thanks i got it.
        – user601297
        2 days ago
















      Thank you for clarifying that. I thought it was 1/100 also every time, but I caught myself using the wrong reasoning.
      – SpiralRain
      Nov 30 at 19:05






      Thank you for clarifying that. I thought it was 1/100 also every time, but I caught myself using the wrong reasoning.
      – SpiralRain
      Nov 30 at 19:05














      I’m having a hard time understanding this, i get how you come to $frac{1}{100}$ for the second try but can you give the calculation for getting it right on the third try, shouldn’t it be $frac{1}{98}*frac{99}{100}$
      – user601297
      Nov 30 at 22:32




      I’m having a hard time understanding this, i get how you come to $frac{1}{100}$ for the second try but can you give the calculation for getting it right on the third try, shouldn’t it be $frac{1}{98}*frac{99}{100}$
      – user601297
      Nov 30 at 22:32












      For 3rd try, you'll have (probability of getting to 3rd pick) * (probability of getting it right). Probability of getting to 3rd pick is $frac {99} {100}$ * $frac {98} {99}$ because you have to first get 1st one wrong , then the second one wrong, and 3rd one right. So you'll get $frac {99} {100} * frac {98} {99} * frac {1} {98} = frac {1} {100}$
      – Ofya
      Nov 30 at 23:01






      For 3rd try, you'll have (probability of getting to 3rd pick) * (probability of getting it right). Probability of getting to 3rd pick is $frac {99} {100}$ * $frac {98} {99}$ because you have to first get 1st one wrong , then the second one wrong, and 3rd one right. So you'll get $frac {99} {100} * frac {98} {99} * frac {1} {98} = frac {1} {100}$
      – Ofya
      Nov 30 at 23:01














      Thanks i got it.
      – user601297
      2 days ago




      Thanks i got it.
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      The probability you get it right at the i'th time is $frac{1}{100}$.



      Thus the expected value of the game is $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-44.5$$






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      • assuming someone won't ignorantly re-guess numbers they've already guessed
        – phdmba7of12
        Nov 30 at 18:56










      • and that they stop guessing once they've hit the correct number ... lol
        – phdmba7of12
        Nov 30 at 18:56






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        Well I thought that was a reasonable assumption
        – Jorge Fernández
        Nov 30 at 18:57






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        That's the assumption for a candidate that Steve Balmer would hire, ;P
        – I like Serena
        Nov 30 at 19:01










      • Thanks a lot, I got it.
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        Nov 30 at 22:11















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      The probability you get it right at the i'th time is $frac{1}{100}$.



      Thus the expected value of the game is $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-44.5$$






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      • assuming someone won't ignorantly re-guess numbers they've already guessed
        – phdmba7of12
        Nov 30 at 18:56










      • and that they stop guessing once they've hit the correct number ... lol
        – phdmba7of12
        Nov 30 at 18:56






      • 1




        Well I thought that was a reasonable assumption
        – Jorge Fernández
        Nov 30 at 18:57






      • 1




        That's the assumption for a candidate that Steve Balmer would hire, ;P
        – I like Serena
        Nov 30 at 19:01










      • Thanks a lot, I got it.
        – user601297
        Nov 30 at 22:11













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      The probability you get it right at the i'th time is $frac{1}{100}$.



      Thus the expected value of the game is $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-44.5$$






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      The probability you get it right at the i'th time is $frac{1}{100}$.



      Thus the expected value of the game is $$sumlimits_{i=1}^{100} frac{6-i}{100} = 6 - frac{100times 101}{2times 100}=6-50.5=-44.5$$







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      • assuming someone won't ignorantly re-guess numbers they've already guessed
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        Nov 30 at 18:56










      • and that they stop guessing once they've hit the correct number ... lol
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        Well I thought that was a reasonable assumption
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        That's the assumption for a candidate that Steve Balmer would hire, ;P
        – I like Serena
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      • Thanks a lot, I got it.
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      • assuming someone won't ignorantly re-guess numbers they've already guessed
        – phdmba7of12
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      • and that they stop guessing once they've hit the correct number ... lol
        – phdmba7of12
        Nov 30 at 18:56






      • 1




        Well I thought that was a reasonable assumption
        – Jorge Fernández
        Nov 30 at 18:57






      • 1




        That's the assumption for a candidate that Steve Balmer would hire, ;P
        – I like Serena
        Nov 30 at 19:01










      • Thanks a lot, I got it.
        – user601297
        Nov 30 at 22:11
















      assuming someone won't ignorantly re-guess numbers they've already guessed
      – phdmba7of12
      Nov 30 at 18:56




      assuming someone won't ignorantly re-guess numbers they've already guessed
      – phdmba7of12
      Nov 30 at 18:56












      and that they stop guessing once they've hit the correct number ... lol
      – phdmba7of12
      Nov 30 at 18:56




      and that they stop guessing once they've hit the correct number ... lol
      – phdmba7of12
      Nov 30 at 18:56




      1




      1




      Well I thought that was a reasonable assumption
      – Jorge Fernández
      Nov 30 at 18:57




      Well I thought that was a reasonable assumption
      – Jorge Fernández
      Nov 30 at 18:57




      1




      1




      That's the assumption for a candidate that Steve Balmer would hire, ;P
      – I like Serena
      Nov 30 at 19:01




      That's the assumption for a candidate that Steve Balmer would hire, ;P
      – I like Serena
      Nov 30 at 19:01












      Thanks a lot, I got it.
      – user601297
      Nov 30 at 22:11




      Thanks a lot, I got it.
      – user601297
      Nov 30 at 22:11










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      If Steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower then, you will at most lose a dollar.
      Going by the binary approach, you start with 50, worst situation: more numbers on the side which Steve's number is, up you go 75(as 50 on higher side and 49 on the lower side), then 88, then 94, then 97, 99 and finally 98 or 100. Even if you start with 50 and the number is lower than 50, you still pay a dollar at most.



      I have arbitrarily chosen the higher end in each case to have equal to or more numbers than the lower end.



      Taking this to be the most conservative approach and that you only follow this, if you want to find the average amount gained or lost, find the value for each number (formulate, no need to solve for each) and take average.






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        If Steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower then, you will at most lose a dollar.
        Going by the binary approach, you start with 50, worst situation: more numbers on the side which Steve's number is, up you go 75(as 50 on higher side and 49 on the lower side), then 88, then 94, then 97, 99 and finally 98 or 100. Even if you start with 50 and the number is lower than 50, you still pay a dollar at most.



        I have arbitrarily chosen the higher end in each case to have equal to or more numbers than the lower end.



        Taking this to be the most conservative approach and that you only follow this, if you want to find the average amount gained or lost, find the value for each number (formulate, no need to solve for each) and take average.






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          If Steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower then, you will at most lose a dollar.
          Going by the binary approach, you start with 50, worst situation: more numbers on the side which Steve's number is, up you go 75(as 50 on higher side and 49 on the lower side), then 88, then 94, then 97, 99 and finally 98 or 100. Even if you start with 50 and the number is lower than 50, you still pay a dollar at most.



          I have arbitrarily chosen the higher end in each case to have equal to or more numbers than the lower end.



          Taking this to be the most conservative approach and that you only follow this, if you want to find the average amount gained or lost, find the value for each number (formulate, no need to solve for each) and take average.






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          If Steve tells you whether the number is higher or lower then, you will at most lose a dollar.
          Going by the binary approach, you start with 50, worst situation: more numbers on the side which Steve's number is, up you go 75(as 50 on higher side and 49 on the lower side), then 88, then 94, then 97, 99 and finally 98 or 100. Even if you start with 50 and the number is lower than 50, you still pay a dollar at most.



          I have arbitrarily chosen the higher end in each case to have equal to or more numbers than the lower end.



          Taking this to be the most conservative approach and that you only follow this, if you want to find the average amount gained or lost, find the value for each number (formulate, no need to solve for each) and take average.







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              Let $X_t:=1{text{guess at stage $t$ is correct}}$ and let $T:=min{t:X_t=1}$. Then for $1le tle 100$,
              begin{align}
              mathsf{P}(T=t)&=mathsf{P}(X_t=1,X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
              &=mathsf{P}(X_t=1|X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0)timesmathsf{P}(X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
              &=frac{1}{100-(t-1)}timesbinom{99}{t-1}binom{100}{t-1}^{-1}=frac{1}{100}.
              end{align}

              Thus, the stopping time $T$ is uniformly distributed on ${1,ldots,100}$ and its mean is $50.5$. Since at each step you loose $1$$, the mean loss is $6-50.5=-44.5$.






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                Let $X_t:=1{text{guess at stage $t$ is correct}}$ and let $T:=min{t:X_t=1}$. Then for $1le tle 100$,
                begin{align}
                mathsf{P}(T=t)&=mathsf{P}(X_t=1,X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
                &=mathsf{P}(X_t=1|X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0)timesmathsf{P}(X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
                &=frac{1}{100-(t-1)}timesbinom{99}{t-1}binom{100}{t-1}^{-1}=frac{1}{100}.
                end{align}

                Thus, the stopping time $T$ is uniformly distributed on ${1,ldots,100}$ and its mean is $50.5$. Since at each step you loose $1$$, the mean loss is $6-50.5=-44.5$.






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                  Let $X_t:=1{text{guess at stage $t$ is correct}}$ and let $T:=min{t:X_t=1}$. Then for $1le tle 100$,
                  begin{align}
                  mathsf{P}(T=t)&=mathsf{P}(X_t=1,X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
                  &=mathsf{P}(X_t=1|X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0)timesmathsf{P}(X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
                  &=frac{1}{100-(t-1)}timesbinom{99}{t-1}binom{100}{t-1}^{-1}=frac{1}{100}.
                  end{align}

                  Thus, the stopping time $T$ is uniformly distributed on ${1,ldots,100}$ and its mean is $50.5$. Since at each step you loose $1$$, the mean loss is $6-50.5=-44.5$.






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                  Let $X_t:=1{text{guess at stage $t$ is correct}}$ and let $T:=min{t:X_t=1}$. Then for $1le tle 100$,
                  begin{align}
                  mathsf{P}(T=t)&=mathsf{P}(X_t=1,X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
                  &=mathsf{P}(X_t=1|X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0)timesmathsf{P}(X_{t-1}=0,ldots,X_1=0) \
                  &=frac{1}{100-(t-1)}timesbinom{99}{t-1}binom{100}{t-1}^{-1}=frac{1}{100}.
                  end{align}

                  Thus, the stopping time $T$ is uniformly distributed on ${1,ldots,100}$ and its mean is $50.5$. Since at each step you loose $1$$, the mean loss is $6-50.5=-44.5$.







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